So it's been a few weeks since the epic migration from certain other websites. I am still reading snide comments over there wishing for the people jumping here to fail. Which really bums me out. Why wish failure on someone just for having different personal convictions than you do? ANYWAY I would love for this site to flourish and grow. Besides the obvious +watch/+fav/comment thing, what else can be done to keep this up?
Note - i did not site jump myself, although i have been posting more of a variety of work here than there. I'm cool maintaining both.
Possible failpost here, I know.
I think the things that will keep people on a site is:
I think the latter is a big issue for the artists that we need to keep the site alive.
I've decided to just upload a tiny trickle of commissions to my FA with a big message that people can find more on my Weasyl.
Plus my personal work is here, which also includes some pin-ups and comics, people like those?
I've seen some people watermark their uploads elsewhere and tell people the unwatermarked version is here; lot of crying manbabies there.
I have no idea honestly. I'd love to know my self, I guess just keep being active your self and hope it's infectious? That's all I can seem to do or come up with
I just posted a journal about the group trading post on the forums. It's a game where they pick a theme and artists contribute their interpretations. The winner chooses the next theme. I played a game similar to that on LJ for years called Snapshot hunter. We got a theme and a week to do a photo (or select one from your portfolio). Themes could be vague like "Blue" or complex like "best moment of the morning".
Being engaged will keep other people engaged, so just the obvious is probably the best. I'd love to see Weasyl do well, too.
I don't understand why people can't accept that others will have different reactions from them to this whole mess, either. The most nonsensical argument I've seen is that the movers have no backbone... when, uh, standing up for your convictions in the face of difficulty or opposition is the definition of having a backbone. Everyone should just deal however works best for them and let others do the same in the knowledge that what works best will differ among people, but nope, we gotta have more drama.
I think it's pretty cool you're going to be here too as I've admired your work on FA for a while now.
I'm trying really hard not to notice or care about any drama on the issue... But then I don't do commissions, so it doesn't really matter to me where/if people watch me. I've had both sites basically since Weasyl's inception, and I'll probably maintain both until or unless that gets unwieldy.
It's too bad that there even is drama. Personal choice of gallery website is personal, you know?
i actually got my Weasyl in 10/2012, but i hadn't kept it up as i should have. so me being here is not new either. I'm just trying to make up for my long periods of inactivity. And dude, i hear you on the personal choice thing. i just don't understand why it has to be one or the other in some people's eyes.
Even though I stated I'd upload to both here and FA, the idea of never visiting or uploading to that trash bin ever again is really appealing. I think I'm going to upload only here going forward, for furry stuff anyway.
That's exactly what needs to be done. Just stop posting to FA completely. Cold turkey. Full stop. By continuing to cross-post, you're encouraging everyone to just stay and be active there because they won't be missing anything. By posting new stuff only on other sites, those that are interested in your work will follow you. The others, quite frankly, don't matter, because they aren't interested in the style or content of your work, just the convenience of it.
Just a note on this, since you had mentioned "at least the furry stuff" you are totally welcome to post non-furry content here too, if that was a worry!
Oh I do post furry and non-furry content, but as my FA replacement I try to focus my furry audience here.
One thing I do with Weasyl did was promote themselves AS a furry/anthro community. I know there are benefits to trying to be broad and generalized, but I also think that can water-down the strength of a marketing message. It's also why I think a lot of folks didn't go to Weasyl right away too - they weren't sure if it was JUST furry or another deviantArt hodge-podge. </ end ramble>
This journal has some excellent points https://www.weasyl.com/journal/24465/the-benefits-of-starting-over-in-a-new-gallery-website-follow-these-artists
Actually it was this one I was thinking of, sorry https://www.weasyl.com/journal/24895/how-to-make-weasyl-your-main-gallery-and-encourage-others-to-follow
I'd just call it a case of sour grapes. In a lot of ways, Weasyl is years ahead of FA, which is a little depressing given the age of FA. All it's really lacking is content and business, both of which are the onus of the users. They're also things that have been steadily improving. Either by way of people coming here just to poke around or people who are fed up with FA's policies or lack of features.
I've moved almost all of my community interaction over here. I treat this site as my "home", and the other I go to for the people who don't post here yet.
That's all most people can do on a personal level, really. That and keep on keeping on with the positive attitudes and friendly atmosphere that's been pretty common here so far.
Weasyl has it all, and by all, it's the admins that actually do listen to you, and they do give a reply in a respective amount of time.
Maintain the strength of the community. Post stuff, comment on the work of others, and reply to people who comment to you. People like art and feedback. Just keep that up and you'll have the foundation of a good art community. Everything else is just icing on the cake.
I think others have already made this point, but it's not just being here, but being active here. So, open commissions here and advertise that you have commissions open only here or that you will only accept applications for commissions here or something.
I think what we should also try to do is bring in new people. Ones that don't know or have an FA or DA or various others. Invite some fresh faces and fresh artists. Invite your friends on facebook, even! It's not a pure furry site, even if it is predominately furry. They have already stated that they accept all kinds of artists...
My occasional new stuff will be uploaded here and not on FA (all my FA accounts are more or less abandoned, personal choice).
Otherwise: exchanges and contests about drawing a character? I know some are too busy with commissions for that, but maybe it's worth a try.
some people are offering "bonuses" to people who watch or whatever on weasyl.. like more free art raffles, first picks for commissions, adoptables, other free stuff, posting uncensored stuff here and censored stuff other places, posting here first.. but i dunno really..
All we really need is for FA to screw up once or twice more. And that's a question of "when", not "if".
FA has messed up multiple times, I cling to the hope that FA will mess up enough that people start to really get tired of it and leave, but I mean come on... server shut downs every month, mods that ban you for simply having an opinion, rapists on the team, favoritism, what more could they do? I don't understand why people cling so readily to that broken site. Then again, I'm used to migrating, we all migrated from DeviantART and Elfwood when FA opened its doors, and now fa is the shifty site and it's time to move on from there.
What we need is a super popufur artist to stop posting over there. C'Mon Blotch, you can do it! XD (joking, though it probably would help :P)
It's mostly because people are afraid of change or having to build up their connections up from scratch. Moving to a different site with different layout and different rules is always hard for some.
Let's also not forget the fact that when Weasyl was launching, there was a lot of hype and honestly, a lot of "shoving it down people's throats" happened. Then there was the whole Ben deal and yadda yadda. Unifnormed people formed opinions and decided to stay with the devil they know.
it would rock if there was some positive thing bringing in new folks, and not just coming to avoid negative things. Idunno. I hope this place can thrive!
Speaking somewhat about what I know the Weasyl developer side is doing, fixes and changes continue to come in all the time. (One people have seen is the 'titles under thumbnails' that went in yesterday!) More will be on the way too - so I know THERE there's a lot of positives being worked for on that side, that are about making the site awesome and listening to feedback from everyone who wants to use it.
Weasyl's numbers are pretty stable. Over the last couple weeks it's been ranging from a minimum of 1000 users and a max of about 2500, per hour, each day. Personally, I don't think people are here to avoid a negative, or they'd likely have left by now. There are lots of community projects, journals to help people move in...I think the community while smaller than FA today, is pretty strong at this point. My own opinion!
Um what they said, also say encourage your followers to go network with other artists in journals (like pimping your fav artists- https://www.weasyl.com/journal/24672/weasyl-welcome-package ) and making some weasyl exclusive content- particularly I find flash and animations myself easier to transition over here, so they would obviously be exclusive to Weasyl.
this is awfully dense of me, but despite checking the FAQ more than once I still can't figure out how to direct link via an artist's icon. I think I have the tags right, but somehow I don't D: I think I will do a big "watch these people" kinda deal in my next journal, once my slow ass figures that out XD
Hey! To fix that problem check out the Weasyl Markdown Formatting Guide here: https://www.weasyl.com/help/markdown
It's easy to keep it open in a background tab while you type, and you get the hang of it eventually!
The markdown guide was already linked, but I do want to state we're currently working on simplifying the user links! That's in progress now. :)
oh, thanks! like here, for example, in this one i copy pasted from that guide, and got this result. I tried a few different ways. I know it's 100% my bad, I'm just not sure why I can't wrap my head around it. https://www.weasyl.com/submission/312306/anatomy-of-the-worst-dragon
Hmm...the syntax I see in the link you just showed is BBCode. The URL you were using was https://www.weasyl.com/help/markdown ? (If it wasn't, can you tell me where you were looking? Cause it means we need to change it! :D
Anyway, to get what you want (from the guide above), you'd want...
Exodite-Dragon <-- Just a link
<-- Just their icon
Exodite-Dragon <--Both!
Hope it helps! And like someone said above, easier ways to link users will be coming, too.
This doesn't really apply to you because you do mostly (all?) clean stuff, but I've started posting censored versions of my adult art to FA, and the uncensored versions only on Weasyl. It does mean I do like one and a half pictures for every picture, but so far it's been a lot of fun. (And boy, the comments I get, hah...)
Additionally, I've also been posting sketches exclusively to here that I'm not posting on FA or anywhere else. I don't know if it's really driving a migration, but it does make the site more appealing to folks, as they know it'll be somewhat active and updating regularly.
I guess that'd be my biggest suggestion: start by posting exclusive content here. Eventually as it becomes more well used, post more and more content here, and less to other sites, until you just stop posting elsewhere entirely.
Pretty much what the first person said. Project Community seems like a really neat thing. Granted i'm nowhere skilled enough to be a part of it. There's also the Trading Post some people are trying to get off the ground. I can't remember who it was though x.x
The Trading Post is alive and well: see https://www.weasyl.com/journal/35643/save-the-date-1st-trading-post-on-2-12 , and the announcement of its existence, at https://www.weasyl.com/journal/35167/trading-post-group-started .
In fact, its first run will be in less than a week!
I'm way more active here than FA.
I post FA commissioned only pieces there...as in, if said commissioner is found THERE and nowhere else, period, then I'll post. If I can find them on Weasyl as well as FA then automatically it goes to Weasyl. Plus no personal art goes there either! With that said, my FA gallery has become very boring, and I plaster on everything MORE ART ON WEASYL because... well... if you wanna see more art, you know what to do. Also making my profile private unless a member is signed in prevents FA folks from lurking and still viewing said "exclusive art". /sneaky_sneaker
I love it here and I hope it sticks! It's up to us to make that happen :3
I didn't even think about the hiding my profile from users who are not signed in. xD I just changed mine... not that I am a visual artist or regularly post anything I personally did... but you know, choices.
Haha good on you :D Whether or not you are a visual artist or not that is a great way to not only encourage folks to join Weasyl but it weeds out a lot of folks that aren't truly there for you. If they aren't willing to take the 3.75 minutes to create an account to continue to follow because it's too inconvenient (or too dedicated/loyal to FA *shudder *) than they aren't worth your time. I'm happy to announce that nearly EVERY PERSON I recognize over the years who's followed me from DA to FA and so-on have migrated here...and so have all but like 10 of the artists I've been watching can be found on Weasyl or elsewhere.
Not a failpost. :)
As other more or less summed before, I assume the best way to get this place to succeed will be twofolds.
Namely, activity and business.
People not just posting images to the site, but actively commenting the images others have posted but also showing oneself as using the site as more than just an art dump. I've seen tons of people who crossposted all of their galleries here.... and then never bothered to write even just a single journal to present the kind of person they were.
Which is a shame, because this place even has a browsing category for journals to discover new people not just based on how well they can draw but also what they have to say.
And business because... well, getting commissions in a particular post is a very good incentive for those artists who depend on artwork for income to actually be active there.
And artists taking commissions from a particular site is also a good incentive for commissioners to use that site.
I consider myself a C-lister in the anthro art world, so I'm not sure having exclusive commission openings on one site vs the other would work (for me, anyway! lol) . That, and I'm pretty much always open.
Oh, I wasn't saying in regard to exclusives, that is ^^;
But I've had a commissioner rant once about how artists they knew literally refused to take commissions on sites like Weasyl with claims. Or how some artists, with presence on multiple sites, would posts themselves as open for commissions but only on one site and never making announcements of the likes on the other they were active on to show they were open for commissions.
I don't really think going "exclusive" for a site is the greatest part so in fact I've even tried to open myself for commissions in non-standard places(recently, though almost by happenstance, I got one on Twitter of all place amusingly). This said there are people who talk of being active on more than one gallery but who will handle all of their commission business and communication only on a single site and sometimes tell people to communicate only over that site(which is often FA) making would-be commissioners interested in business with them have no choice than either not commission them or make an account in that other place.
Which was kinda what my commissioner was complaining about..
I think most people have already said it, keep posting art and comments here, if you frequent other sites and you see double posts, comment here instead of there, offer exclusive commissions and discounts here but no where else, and if you can, leave the sites that are broken. The people who actually care will follow, everyone else will have to deal with it.
true true! It's nifty that people have come out and commented here, even. Like, obviously I know i'm far from the only person who cares about this, but it's cool to see that many others exist and have the same goal.
Oh, and one more thing, I dunno if your interested in doing this sort of thing, but I'm holding a weasyl exclusive free custom made plushie raffle, and I advertised it on my old FA account, and I know for a fact at least two people followed me here and have come to enjoy the site, so it's a thought :)
"I am still reading snide comments over there wishing for the people jumping here to fail. Which really bums me out. Why wish failure on someone just for having different personal convictions than you do?"
I have not read the comments myself, but I feel like stating a theory or perhaps two. I think it might be a kind of "proud of where I come from and no one or place is better then my group/place" Kind of like school football rivalry or team rivalry of any sort. Perhaps a bit of competitive nature that is in us, but turns into something ugly. Much like Europians, Spanish, and whoever else with their soccer. People start riots over their team. I don't completely understand it, cause I don't put the effort into studying people and their mentality.
Another theory is that I think some of the people on FA feel that some of the artiest moved because, "It was the cool thing to do." or "Everyone else is doing it." Things like this bother people. Those are just my guess though and it doesn't really help us understand their actions completely, but it gives at least a bit of an understanding to why they are acting the way they are.
There is a LOT of bitterness and negativity on FA. I've been noticing it for years. Maybe it's just a byproduct of how huge the userbase is, but I'm not surprised that there are people who want Weasyl and its users to fail. It seems such a stupid thing to me, though, to get angry at someone for preferring to use a different website...
It's, like, rilly dum :/ I mean, sure, everybody is entitled to their own opinion, but I find I have little patience these days for people who seem to enjoy wallowing in bitterness and spite. I don't, you see, and it's hard to avoid getting sucked in to that dynamic. Haters gonna hate, etc.
All that's to say, you're not the only one who's noticed. FA has never felt very comfortable, for me, personally; I've never really -enjoyed- the site, just sort of used it because I had to. Weasyl, I like; it reminds me of the YNA.
I am trying to post anything I post to Weasyl first - then wait a few days, maybe a week - and then go over to FA and post a thumbnail only or the journal title only, with a link to the older thread here on Weasyl. I'm not an artist so my stuff isn't viewed that much anyway, so I don't know how effective it really is. I wish there was a way to disable journal replies on FA though...I wouldn't try to delete them because that would probably be taken as aggressive.
I mentioned on my FA just before I left that I'd be lurking about commenting and favoriting and such, but to be honest, I haven't even really wanted to that... so I haven't. The last time I actually visited the site was two weeks ago... and I think I don't plan on going back unless it's to delete what's left of my commission account and deactivating both of them. If people want to give me grief about leaving a site that makes me uncomfortable, then I don't want them patronizing me.
I know comments keep people here, I've already had friends really happy with the fact that the crowd on Weasyl seems to really respond and interact with each other. I'm really happy that this seems to be a place, to me, that cares a little bit more about the creators themselves and their work. As long as the community remains active as a community itself, I think it'll do well. (now that it's shown it will last longer and update faster than a lot of other places that have sprung up in the past)
Hopefully not a fail-post. I think the way to keep this place active is simply... to participate in it. For all the users on FA, only a small number participate. All people need to do to keep Weasyl active is just to participate more than they do on FA, which isn't hard as there are SO many who don't participate at all. My $0.02...
The oddest thing I notice here is that there seem to be fewer comments on submittals compared to FA. Again, my guess is that people go to FA first and then don't bother to comment on duplicate (cross-posted) stuff. Maybe try submitting things here first and then wait a few days before submitting to FA?
I actually pulled down most of my gallery over there because I don't want to be responsible for generating traffic for the site. And after the last administration debacle of favoritism some time back I started running adblock.
I think just a consistent posting here, people commenting and following and +Faving, in addition to some of the really good artists like yourself posting at least occasional things here that are Weasyl "exclusives" whether you advertise it or not, will go a long way.
I learned something lovely about the site today. If you fill out your filters, it works on Journals too! Love that.
I wish it was easier to mass transfer files from other sites that aren't pictures (specifically for me I need flash and writing files). If I could, I'd upload my stuff and my partner's, but as it is, there's just so much I'd have to upload, or files that I couldn't upload at all, as they only exist on the site it's uploaded to.
I know it's something they're working on, but until then it'll be difficult to impossible for me to use this site like the others. I'm optimistic though.
Not a failpost!
I too closed down my DA a couple nights back due to reasons that were physically causing me unneeded grief. Heard some good things about Weasyl, and followed you here =3
Must say I definitely appreciate the search engine NOT FAILING LIKE A BITCH after two pages of artworks -glares at DA- That and the folders, and the filters, and the commission info set-up. This and Tumblr offered me better things, and it was time for a change anyway.
That and I rather like the spirited manner of this place - it's much more aesthetically pleasing to the eye to me. Because I'm simple like that, haha!
-leaves cookies at your doorstep-
Writing code to add features to this site. Two things I can think of that are badly needed:
I know that Weasyl has a bug tracking system and I'm sure that each of these are in the queue. It's just a question of when they'll happen. I can think of other features that would be nice to have, but these are two of the bigger ones that come to my mind.
Link
azurehusky
Nono, not a failpost at all! Jotaku is heading up an effort called Project Community that attempts to encourage more community-type efforts in Weasyl (because, let's be honest, Weasyl's not going to have the sheer numbers of FA anytime in the foreseeable future, so it's better to focus on what I think Weasyl's strongest point, which is a more social, friendly, community-oriented platform). There's a forum thread discussing ideas with a pinned top post that describes current Weasyl contests and community efforts right here. Jotaku's posted some Journals about it as well.