Everything's gone, my submissions, my commission list from FA. The only thing I can give credit to FA's quickness is administration is the ability to shut someone up if they decide to ban you.
Well That sucks royally, and is pretty cheap.
Granted, I can see how this is called 'drama' in the sense that technically it's pointing someone out, but you weren't harassing him, you were pointing at what you were shown. At this point I don't know what is true or false with their TOS anymore, but to get -everything- chucked out over that, whereas other peopleusually just get the lock up...Yeah, I think someone was relishing deleting your stuff. :(
Sorry for the crap :(
Sorry to hear this as I know that it does have a large audience (that is always watched with a suspicious eye) for possible commissions, but at the very least you can say you are done with that pile. The most I will do there is watch the artists I like that aren't on this site and not speak lest my words create owies.
For my part I'm sorry you actually got banned for this. I don't think what you did was in good taste, but a permaban over something like that is overkill.
Truly sorry too hear that. I think the admins over stepped their bounds here, what you were doing doesn't strike me as causing "Drama". If anything you were trying too warn and protect others from getting scammed by a fraudulent user.. I'm more grateful for the warning than anything else. At least now I have a reason to be more active on Weasyl and my other art accounts over FA.
Wow.. and here I just appealed my own permaban(though it was stated on my acct as a "suspension") and got my FA back after 1-3yrs. >< Can't remember exactly how long. Was banned twice LOL! Got back each time. Long story. But you were an artist I JUST started to watch and like =( Well, link your inkbunny acct. I am watching you on here. Don't know if I even HAVE a Tumblr. ><
Doesn't it infringe on freedom of speech? I mean if we want to talk about a guy scamming people don't we have a right to talk about it? The Ban is pretty petty to me, at least you have this account and tumblr to put your stuff up on.
Freedom of speech only applies to federal websites and federal laws. Not private websites. FA could make a rule that they would only allow white males between 18 and 35 to log in, that you could only say nice things about the admins, ever, anywhere, and they could make up rules on the fly and even change the existing rules as needed.
... well ... 2 out of 3 ain't bad, 'eh?
First off I don't want to sound like a dick, but even sharing said tweet is still sharing the info via you and also via the original tweet. This you did break the rules DO NOT Share, Post or Distribute Confidential Information - This includes phone numbers, addresses or private information. Where I don't really care much for FA, you did break the rules, SAID rule is just there to cover their ass cause sharing info like that can be taking to court these days. Crazy I know
wo~w.... fa.. neer.. i just don't even. i mean at least you have other(and much better) sites to be on. ^^ i'll still always love your work, an' for what it's worth i really don't think you're causing any sorta drama. people post worst stuff than that all over fa like call-out journals or just all out being terrible to people. they should be busy trying to permiban the scary stalkers and scammers. :/
I never really understood why it was more important to not rock the boat in furry communities than to try and expose scams.
From what I heard, this guy goes around a lot asking people for donations and such to go see his mother..but then turns around and uses it to go to cons...I've worked with a lot of people, and having this information, I'd feel I'd be protecting a potential scammer by not at least forwarding people to read about him, and come up with their own deductions.
Neer probably i more worried that this sort of thing cuts close to home. All these donations going int FA and nothing having changed improved over the years service or speed wise, YET still seems to have money for commissions and such.. Hmm.. HOW THAT HAPPEN!?
Sounds more like mumming something that could possibly be turned around and pointed back at him.
I got banned from FA for supposedly ban evading 4 times when I only ever had 3 accounts ever logged into on my IP and it was my ex who was getting banned. my one account was made by her so it was linked to her accounts no matter what I tried they wouldn't listen. and the person that was the worst for me was summercat. he claimed I was a liar when I was telling the truth the whole time...
Yeah, I got a warning recently for that. Apparently I was commenting to one guy using my primary account, but during it, I switched to my adult account to post a picture, went back to the thread and replied to the guys new posting. It appears the time he made his last post, he banned my primary account, but after my post he left me a "let's just agree to disagree" statement, I left it at that and 2 months later I get a warning about ban evading when I had no memory at first of who the person even was, nor was I even aware I was ever blocked from the guy to begin with since I never replied to him with my primary account again, thus never getting the "thisuser has blocked you notice". I was all..wait, how was I supposed to know I was blocked?
really sorry to hear this, but some good news for you Drayk over on fa is trying to make sure your followers (who weren't already following you here and elsewhere) can find you
I'd say for those who are planning on leaving FA - don't do that quite yet.
If you recently got some sketch commishes or the like from Kayla, you should post them, and (assuming it's not 'against the TOS' post a link to her tumblr or weasyl promoting it. A little better than just journal entries, cause people don't read as much, but if they see a picture,, and see who it is, they tend to read the line coming after the name, (if at all) so...lure some traffic back this way.
Assuming it's not against the Kais-neer to mention offsite artists. Check your spotty TOS before trying. ^^;
Slowly but surely FA seems to be driving itself in to the ground with abysmal PR moves...
Don't get me wrong when I say this, as I wouldn't go so far as to say I have a vendetta against the site, but it really does seem like the sooner events like this drive people to find a new community, the better. With the piss poor reputation the administration has and the general stagnation of the site's features, the only thing that seems to be keeping FA afloat is that it's where everyone is already. :/
I feel for you hun. In fact, I was nearly in the same boat once. I got terrorized into silence last year because I dared to publicly object to the wrongful takedown of part of my gallery, receiving quiet threats of "action" and so forth. The worst part is, not a week later the TOS was updated in clear terms to allow all the pictures that were taken down.
Well, I agree and disagree with his decision. I agree since no matter how good the intentions were for that moment, you were on the verge of stirring drama again. Once again, I know you weren't at all. But you have to put yourself in his shoes and know he'll just get you for it since it was indirectly (and inevitably) talking about another user in a bad light. You just gotta be careful around people that are like that. They will get you if you keep talking about something bad on their website in public like that (especially if they mostly owned it, then it's mostly they can do whatever they want with you)..
However, the timing of your ban is very bizarre and random. As CC mentioned earlier, "second chances" of rule breaking is not very healthy of moderation practice. You should've been banned a while ago. Why now all of the sudden? The moderation is in such a dismay, and yet they pretty much rely on the poor people donation money to keep going. More or less, with people like you mentioned that are scamming people left and right on that site and still on there. But I guess this is a good thing now because you can talk about anything and the FA mods can't do a damn thing about it.
Technically, she didn't break an FA TOS rule. She violated, and I quote, "A loophole". You figure how anyone knows they are breaking a loophole or not if there's no..rule explaining what loophole you can't break.
That's just the thing. If they're shooting loopholes out of the wood works, then causing potential, problematic situations around them is like playing Russian Roulette with 5 of the 6 chambers loaded. I don't like their policies either or how they run their website, but I don't question too much about it to the point of making journals right on their website. It grabs their attention, but in the wrong perspective. And I know she has been discussing with Neer from time to time of help improving the website but to no avail. If they want to run their website like that without changing for the better, then going on different websites was the better option. The unclear banning was not right indeed, but I think her being on FA and bumping heads with said mods has run its course.
Meh, not leaving there yet. It did stop being a primary place for me when they started limiting the content. Cuts into my customer base. I do still get some work out of there sometimes, and it does still see a decent amount of traffic among new furs, so I'll stick around until either it flops, they boot me or they manage to piss me off enough on a personal level.
Sorry this happened to you. It's feels like a bit of a replay on what was happening on SF around the time they dropped the muck they used to run, Yimu. Same level of asshattery on pointing fingers, bending meanings on rules and jumping on people over minor offenses while leaving major troublemakers loose. Waaaayyyyy back when they were still yiffstar. heh
FA used to be a pretty decent place, once upon a time. I do hope they can pull their collective head out of their posterior before everything falls in around them and bring it back around to cool.
Wonderful, you actually got banned for a petty reason and them not going after the scumbag who's actually conning people on the site and at cons? I do hope it comes and bites Neer on the ass and co.
When the fuck does pointing out a scammer considered "inciting drama"? Oh right, FA Admin Logic :V
Have to say, what they did to you is disgusting, I have already just posted a comment saying I will be pulling up my FA roots and Moving to Weasyl, And I will edit it with a journal of where people can find you. I certainly hope Weasyl doesnt try and follow in FA's Footsteps.
I am really sorry for your unjust treatment :(
i find dragoneer to be a very bad admin, he doesn't do his job properly, its like the second someone complains to them, instead of doing his job right, he attacks the messenger....if being an admin is so stressful, maybe he should step down
Late bison is late, but the name DMK has rung a few bells for me. Is his sona big green muscle herm dude? cuz if so he had commed me for a pic but i had put it on hold before payment or anything could be done. If its the same guy I don't think i will be continuing the transaction
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What the hell, why were you banned? Can you appeal or are you just not gonna bother? I see so many of my favorite artists leaving, but you were the first one to be perma banned.