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Banned from FA for a Month by EbonyChimera
Uhm...wow, I got banned for a month on FA for starting a journal, asking about ForgetheWielder's ban. Admins call it "making journals to incite drama".
I was just asking other people their opinions on the matter...Guess I'm not allowed to do that?
http://img6.imageshack.us/img6/3991/thewielderpermabankayla.png
Journal in question.
Banned from FA for a Month
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Thankfully, I got my commission infos via e-mail, so I can still work.
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Wow, that really sucks. =(
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It just feels like they're losing it, and trying to stop any form of "drama" they see. owo
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As dumb as it is to apply the term to a site that consists mostly of furry porn, it starts to get just a wee bit Orwellian.
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Like most furry stuff I've come across it seems to have one primary issue. Half the user base wants the administration to be hands off and only deal with site-specific issues, the other half want a decency standard policed to their fitting, which means banning and removing people they feel aren't suitable for their collective. The end result is exactly as you speak, essentially Communistical ignorance. We welcome everyone so long as you say what we want you to.
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wtf??? I was wondering why the journal got deleted. Seems that I have to be careful now what I write/reply to on FA, or the banhammer will get me too x3
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And this is why I am hesitant to discuss some matters on FA.
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same ;A;
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Seems that the admins don't want that other people notice the bans from other users. D:
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Really. So..like...when are the admins gonna ban one another for all the drama THEY incite?
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Well, you are not allowed to do anything on FA. More or less..the only thing you are allowed to is to upload art. :/
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*Shrugs* s'why I left. Corrupt as hell. It doesnt affect me at all but I can't tolerate injustice.
I suppose it's different for you as it generates so much cash for you. (That's a good thing)
The sooner great artists, such as yourself, move here for good, the sooner we can all start again somewhere new. I don't get why peeps are sticking to FA.-
Above all else, FA has a large userbase and longevity. I heard that one furry art site that gotten an influx from FA users crashed because there were too many people going there at once (might have had to also do with FA downtime. Memory is foggy). Plus, as you noted, many people do business on FA. Many have settled down in FA. Other places, more or less, came and went, while FA has remained.
What I am saying is that any such major migration from FA to elsewhere will not happen over a long period of time. If One is to happen, give it time. Business aside simply moving from FA to Weasyl or Tumblr is not a quick and easy matter for many.
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I find the sense in sticking with something just cause it's old and cause they're used to it highly questionable. This site is much better equipped for comissioners and artists doing comissions, is much better to look at etc, am I beating a dead horse? I don't think so. You're here too.
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You are pretty much right. Still, as I said, give it time.
Also, when I say move from FA, I mean actually leaving FA. I am here. I have not "left" FA. I have too much on FA to simply leave it in a day. Same for others.
And I didn't mean to imply people say because FA is older. But it is one of the most popular places for furry art and it has survived for a long while. If FA is to die, it will not be sudden. There is no rush.
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Weilder's ban was total BS, but this one might be worse. What the shit do they think Dragoneer's drama journal is?
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http://img6.imageshack.us/img6/3991/thewielderpermabankayla.png this is what caused my ban.
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Pointing out truth = inciting drama!
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Wow, sinking ship, etc..
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Man they are trying to save face way to hard. I guess stupidity is a virus that will never go away.
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That was my thought. They majorly screwed up on the stalker issue, it was brought to the attention of the other users by an artist whose popularity was too great for them to try and bury the issue, and now they're trying to flex their admin powers wherever they see the chance to.. what? Reassure us that they care? :/
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That's... so many kinds of stupid. What the hell?
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Is anyone else getting the feeling FA's lifespan is just about up? I mean this level of paranoid 'bullshitery' is getting quite out of hand.
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AFTER ALL THAT BULLSHIT about the stalker shit. THEY COULDN'T ACCEPT OFFSITE INFORMATION OF A SERIOUS ISSUE. BUT LORD FUCKING FORBID FORBID THAT SOMEONE SAY SOMETHING DEROGATORY ABOUT FA OFFSITE BECAUSE THAT MERITS A PERMABAN> HOLY TITS. jklasjdlajsldja I fucking dislike FA so much, but this shit and the way dragoneer plays sides like he does is total balls. Fucking ridiculous.
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Usually ANY discussion about someone getting banned (even if it wasn't intentional) will eventually incite drama. But you know what, I check their rules for CoC and it says nothing about what you did to incite drama anyways. It was a matter of opinion and that was that. Otherwise, a month suspension is seriously a knee-jerk punishment right there.
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They banned you for just asking?
Glad you'r still here.-
Since FA standards seems to be that the use of their site requires you to sign away your ability to free speech on any other website on the internet, posting here about it will probably get oneself thrown in a Siberian gulag or signed to a North Korean death squad hitlist.
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This is getting out of. hand
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FA is going to be dead if they're continuing to shut up the artist's mouth! -_-
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wow FA is really evil.
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So stupid~ FA Admins are just losing.
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power abuse by admin i would say.
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Uhhhh
The way you were handling replies was really reasonable, too, if they'd bothered to read comments. And it was a totally valid question. Somebody upthread mentioned the situation being a little Orwellian and I'm... sadly inclined to agree.
I get that they are trying to save face but this was not the way to go about it. An explanation from Neer as to why this off-site activity warranted a ban but not the previous HUGE ISSUE would have been way more useful than a ban...
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I agree. I was starting to understand why Forge was banned, even though I didn't agree with it, I wasn't inciting drama about it. Getting perspective from other people that were on the fence about the situation was what I was going for. Apparently I'm not allowed to do that.
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sounds like FA admins being the typical power abusive people they are :/
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Administrative action there seems quite random. Not answering questions about why people are banned (an official policy on DeviantArt) makes sense. I can even understand Eka's Portal having an express policy that bans are not to be discussed on the site. However, FurAffinity has no such policy. Even if there is a rule about "inciting drama," it is way too vague a concept.
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The fuck man? The FUCK!?!?
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You broke the media blackout. How dare you.
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I don't even...
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I just love how they go and say: "HEY, WE CAN'T DO SHIT IF IT'S OUTSIDE OF FA." And then they go and permaban someone cause of something that was said off-site. x.x
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I love how Dragoneer made a journal about the off site comments as soon as this happened.
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Wow that's seriously retarded. You can't scratch your ask without them having issues with it. Seems that way.
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Let's keep it! they have choosed the perfect time to start drama, just as soon as Weasyl opened! :D
If some more pop-furs (at least, those who don't have their noses up neer's butt) start journals like these, it's going down XD -
wow.... thats just not right
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Yeah! I agree with this stranger that I've never seen before >:P
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Oh my, look at all this drama!
Seems the admin was right, wasn't he/she?-
The drama here is actually about the FA ban over drama. Self-fulfilling prophecy is self-fulfilling.
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Even with that, a journal asking about a ban, or the likes, is pretty much asking for uninformed opinions, lobbyists of various kinds and just trolls.
It was destined to make drama, no matter what happened.-
Unless said comments were hidden about aforementioned journal before any drama ensued. :T
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Wow. So done with this shit. I'm sorry you got the ass end of the stick too. 8(
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Holy shit.
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Wow that, thats just plain wrong. theyve been on edge for a while now though.
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The best part was how this happens right after they said they can't do this kind of thing if it occurs off site.
Good Job....xDD;;
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off site ot was yes. but it was threathening the site. or ho you spell it. tha guy tried to tell people to hack the site. more and more i see the proof of Furries=big babies. prove me wrong will you
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That is true. I won't disagree that that was a threat and was a suspend-able offense.
But once again-- As I said...This comes only a few days after Dragoneer REFUSED to ban a stalker who EVADED a block by making a new account simply because a large majority of it occurred off-site.
That and...if you as me...90% of FA should be banned...people talk smack about websites and others all the time. xD
BUT...I digress.
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entertaining.
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I love it when they prove everyone that had an aversion to that other incident right.
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FA is whack
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They didn't have a right to ban for that because if it occurs offsite all they should be doing is becareful of what goes on. Of course unless they have actual proof he's got people doing that then it's mostly just words coming out and not an actual action to be taken.
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The good ol' FA administration... where everyone is equal but some are more equal than others...
Big rant journal about FA admin issues: not banned, journal not deleted
Small journal asking one simple question: 1 month ban,journal deleted
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Bullshit on both accounts. And I'll bet money that if some no name like myself made a journal like yours, they'd totally overlook it.
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don't call yourself a no-name. x_x it's so degrading. I will have no such talk of self-insult here!
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Yeah but you know what I mean. I'm just a watcher with nothing to really put up beyond my own commissions. You're a rather popular artist that's posting tons of stuff. I post something about this, and maybe a couple people will read it, but if you have this out in the open a crap ton more people will be seeing it. I'm kinda tempted to put the theory to the test though cause this really is a bullshit move on their part.
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such bullshit that is going on there. and its too keep all the goody2shoes all happy.
people talk shit all the time, make empty threats. no one would call the cops if someone was like "go die whore" wah, it hurts your feelings but nothing to go all admin crazy for. oh wait, its the only way he can get off :/
what your journal was was nothing bad, just voicing an opinion....but i guess no one can have them on fa >.< -
Aaaaaand this is why we're now talking about this on Weasyl; because the admins here treat the site as an actual community site that is their responsibility, and not as their play-thing on which they can lay down the hammer left-and-right like that hall monitor in elementary school who thought he was Judge Dredd.
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guh. That's just fucked up.
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Well, time to move completely to Weasyl. Maybe you could open a dA account just to post commission info?
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It's ok, I still <3 you.
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Talk about using a hand grenade on a molehill.
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I`m sorry you have to go through this crap. i normally mind my own business and keep to my self however from what i`ve seen the past week things are just messed up in FA.
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.....so they permaban someone for offsite reasons..yet..they -- actually nevermind. I'm happy i'm here and I'm just going to continue being here and ignoring FA.
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Well... Does this means: Create a journal on FA, make a screencap and beware to be suspended anytime? 0.o
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one of the many reasons FA needs to go away eventually
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They just want to make sure as they chase off as many users from FA as they can.
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That's just... WTF is going on with FA these days? Gezz.
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You have to be popufur to say what you want. <- Sarcasm/somewhat true
Its abuse of power, they can ban a guy who openly threats the site but can't ban someone who's been harassing/threatening/stalking etc. Lololol. How many bans have you went through already? Two I think, you're like immortal.
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This is my second ban from FA, and it will be my last, as I am pretty much done with FA
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Well, I'm thankful I haven't even seen my first ban from FA. I'm almost expecting it now, considering how many dangerous opinions I have and how many other people that I'm friends with that get banned on FA almost constantly now.
It's a sinking ship, and I can't swim.
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Mhm, I'd say go out with a bang but that's me.
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Ah, introducing FurAffinity your local furry Fascist Community. I keep hearing more and more of this, just a bunch of bad admins flexing their power muscles for any reason its beyond a joke.
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.......Y'know ... regardless of what all the brown-nosers want to believe ... if this shit keeps up, with all these really stupid PR moves on Neer's part ... FA -is- going to die. People are all like "oh, there's no -way- FA will ever die off, it's too imprinted within the furry community, it's too firmly cemented into our culture!", but, guess what? People said the SAME thing about FurNation. Go figure. =/
I'm sorry, but there's only so much damage a site's reputation (or that of its staff) can sustain before it's just a lost cause, and the simple fact remains that if this train wreck keeps on snowballing like this, and other similar incidents to this happen repeatedly in the future ... FA's days are numbered. People WILL bail out and go elsewhere, the site WILL lose traffic, and interest WILL decline, as better alternatives become available and thrive.
And the only one to blame for it will be Neer and his merry band of misfits. All because they have NO idea how to run a site properly and their idea of damage control involves a can of gasoline and a lit match.
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How very contradictory.
They can't ban an obvious stalker for things happening off-site, but they can ban someone for this? -
That's pretty balls :/
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THis whole thing reeks of mismanagement. I'm sorry this happened to Forge, and you too.
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It's because you hurt their feefees. Shame on you woman. SHAME
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;3; sowwy
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Well, most your journals do tend to incite drama so maybe they had that reason, because admit it, almost every journal you create tends to blow up into 300+ comments war. Not saying it was righteous that they banned you because YOU created the journal, hell I could create just as much drama as you by asking the same. But like I stated, maybe that's why they did it.
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But you did point out a pretty good point. Why would they ban Forge for an "outside the site" information when they earlier said they don't?
Don't they just hate being proven wrong those silly admins on FA?
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But, upon reading what he said on his twitter, it's kind of serious because people WOULD do that. That's just what I think take it or leave it
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A lot of Dragoneer's journals sparks drama as well, even if it isn't intentional. I can't really control the actions or opinions of others; just like I can't control your actions or your opinions. I see your point though.
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Yeah it's a bit of hypocrisy when Dragoneer doesn't see the logic that HIS journals spark a LOT of drama...
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