The tweet was made about Anita and I wanna say Zoe Quinn and one of them (Or both) lost their homes. And those two are obviously having their controversies as well (Zoe Quinns being more recent and about 2 weeks old)

Warning- this video has a trigger warning attached to it. If you're gonna get upset and all riled up about it, please close the video, grow up, and move on.

YouTube comments have become the dregs of social feedback. You get better conversations reading /v/ threads on 4chan. Sometimes /b/. A reckoning is slowly making it's way across gaming and the only ones that have this ignorant reaction are the ones unwilling the understand anyway.

Because God forbid you inform your audience of some sensitive material in the video. I guess people just aren't allowed to be nice anymore.

I mean, yeah, if they started pulling back on the jokes, it'd be a problem. Self-censorship and having to keep that kind of thing in mind while you're trying to entertain tends to produce an atmosphere of unease, but when you do that kind of humor, it's not a bad thing to let people know to avoid it if they feel it's necessary. Some people -are- fragile, and that's not an insult. Just means they need a safe place and maybe therapy to learn from and heal out of whatever damage has been done to them.

Huh. It must really make me weird to think, 'Wow, Game Grumps has taken it upon themselves to caution against particularly strong/sensitive topics, which I've never seen them do before. Good on them.'

Game Grumps has always had humor that's drawn thin lines between 'amusing' and 'offensive'. It's like Eddie Murphy's Raw. That said, anyone calling for movie ratings to be banned because Raw exists, however, is a goddamn idiot, and so are people who are pissed off about Game Grumps warning about content contained in it.

I didn't know too much about Game Grumps's creators until recently, also given light of "current events". Having said I do now? I'm now fans of Egoraptor and Danny, and have pretty much no respect for Jontron at all.

I myself am fragile about suicide for my own reasons, and I'll stand up and applaud their decision to forward a segment saying 'This one might hit you hard, just be aware.' I might still watch it, even. The thing I'm not going to do? Be pissed, ever, that they decided to include the warning, just in case.

The stupidity of this vocal group of people continues to amaze me. I keep thinking I've seen as dumb as they can possibly get, and then they top it. Repeatedly. Wow.

On today's episode of "Fake Celebrities Say Stupid Shit."

I generally subscribe to the theory of "get over it" when it comes to drama. It's never worth getting fussy over something so trivial, especially when it's a little bit of text under a video or a popular Youtuber calling a service "retarded".

Over the last few week, Zoe Quinn and Anita Sarkeesian have stirred up some major controversy (for some good reason) and I've been really mulling over the massive response they've gotten. The internet has really dove deep into this culture of overreaction lately (both from nuts on Tumblr pretending that their "eww spiders ickyyyy" response is equivalent to an actual anxiety attack or PTSD-fueled breakdown, and those who believe the two shady women mentioned above have committed crimes worthy of a thousand years of torture and it's their personal duty to see it through as well as their keyboards are able) and it's been hurting a lot of people.

What the harassers and flamers out there don't realize is that by attacking someone, they only contribute to the creation of a bigger problem, one which (rightfully) takes the spotlight in place of whatever they were flipping out over in the first place. If Zoe Quinn did what people have been saying, getting the news out about it is the solution they should be after. After all, who would dare to take a chance giving a known hypocritical liar and cheater a job? But no, their attacks culminate on the woman being in fear for her life, which is a WAY worse problem than anything she (purportedly) did. The headlines end up about that instead of what she did, and she's able to take the position of victim instead of answering for her actions. And all that, for the sake of some ideal of petty payback... it's disgraceful. Even worse is when someone who's relatively innocent gets caught in the crosshairs of the internet overreaction machine, like Stephen Colbert. We really shouldn't be okay with the people doing this stuff, and we shouldn't be standing by as they do it without calling them out on it.

So... yeah, no matter the perceived size and relevance of what's happened, I think people on the internet in general need to relax and not make such a big deal out of things. Or at the very least, stop being so outwardly vocal about something stupid like someone actually being POLITE to other people on the internet - I mean, holy crap, that's actually what HAPPENED here.

I can say that Anita's videos have a good point but are also a bit too sensationalist. Basically, I agree that those female-related tropes do need to be toned down, but I don't quite completely agree with all her thought processes or some of the issues surrounding her work.That said I don't have some sort of massive hate boner for her.

And Phil Fish is an asshole.

The Zoe Quinn business I have no opinion on until I hear more definite stuff.

That said, this stuff is just nuts. And tiresome.

It sucks that they are getting flack for it but im glad they are being considerate

I saw the warning when I watched it and knew that I would read the comments... I am not surprised by this turn of events in the slightest.
(And isn't it Barry who gives the warnings? I always assumed that Barry uploads the videos.)

Man Youtube comments are the absolute worst. I'm glad the grumps threw a trigger warning on that episode, that was considerate.

On topic: Dude, if the Grumps posting a trigger warning for talking about suicide, something that happens IN THE GAME THEY ARE PLAYING, and you get upset? you haven't been paying attention. I remember off the top of my head the Grumps reeling themselves back and trying to start the term "pussy up" in the vein of "man up" or somesuch. They aren't always successful with eliminating passively misogynous speech, but the fact is that they're thinking about it, and trying to make a positive impact. Also... I barely if ever read the comments on YouTube videos. Seems like the drek of society lives there.

Side-topic: From what I hear, apparently Zoe Quinn had a bad break with her boyfriend, and her boyfriend's bright idea is to throw all her personal information onto the net, along with some serious accusations of her apparently cheating on him. Now, this is obviously not cool, but the 'retribution' for his hurt feelings is entirely disproportionate. Besides, whether or not she cheated on her boyfriend is entirely unrelated to her as a public person.

Has anything interesting ever come from the Game Grumps?

Yeah this attitude has been driving me nuts, over at FA anyone that prefers this website over the former is deemed a "SJW" that "hates everyone on FA and should just shut up, good thing they are off our site anyway!"

I've had to repeat myself many a time that expecting a degree of common sense and ethical standards is not being a "SJW" its being a reasonable human being that has reasonable expectations.

Same thing here, suicide is a huge issue, and there was a time in my life when I was genuinely upset by the depiction of that or self harm. People wanting to avoid material that could upset/offend them due to such a personal connection is not unreasonable at all, and it's not really censorship or anything like it.

But on the internet now there's this huge dichotomy, if you are sensitive and empathetic to such issues you're automatically a "SJW" type that should be ignored by the other camp. If you're not sensitive to these issues it starts to resemble as if that whole camp is composed of /b/tards that feel everything should be one big joke.

Quite tired of the black and white treatment of it all, we should be having a real debate not composed entirely of tossing insults to one another.

As for the misogyny issue, it does irk me a little that sometimes we are a bit quick to label any insensitivity towards women as that.

The straight up definition is hatred of women.

Now don't get me wrong, there are certainly those in the community that hate women, have serious mother relationship issues it seems, and they are a problem.

However, in my experience, many of these men don't hate women necessarily, they just unfortunately misunderstand them a great deal and lack some empathy. That does not really = hate, though it tends to come off as hateful vitriol most of the time.

One time I saw them pubically apologize to their fans on twitter before they started putting warnings on their videos and that was really big of them. They gained my respect pretty fast for that even if I don't watch them.

Yeah, this fucking drove me insane, especially since there were so many people blaming Suzy because she has the nerve to be a feminist and don't you know if a guy starts realizing that people's feelings are important it's because his wife has him pussywhipped. Common decency is apparently an SJW thing.

There's a very desperately active backlash against any perceived concessions to people who are asking for the slightest bit of consideration in societal coexistence. It's bad enough that weak little ol' me has a tough time even conceiving of confronting or existing in that hostile climate. Heck I'm about to start counselling for the first time because of shit like this.

I'm really pleased that the grumps are being A++ classy about this kind of stuff- especially with all the disappointing jontron stuff recently. It's not over the top, it's being considerate. Good on them.

I hid my other comment because of a lil error

I cannot wait for this particular species of whiny, entitled, misogynist dudebro to die out.* They make me ashamed to even be associated with some of the things I love, sometimes. I cannot say how glad I am to see that things like trigger warnings are starting, gradually, to become standard practice.

*Note: I am speaking metaphorically here. I don't actually wish for them to literally die. Just for this mindset to die out. I see hopeful signs that it might be heading for the endangered species list. I will not mourn it.

I don't watch or care about Game Grumps but I thought seeing Arin apologizing/adding TWs was really refreshing compared to the stupid and immature shit I see Jontron has been saying on Twitter. No surprise people are getting pissed over someone being considerate, geez.

"Adult women are now the top consumer of video games, beating out teenage boys."
Too bad you can't say this in most settings without getting snooty "haha don't you mean they just play casual phone apps and farmville??? doesn't count!!!" replies...

If anything, Arin and crew seem to be more and more considerate of other people's feelings, and how the show is perceived, as time goes on.

Really, ever since Jon was replaced by Danny, they've been working very hard to be as professional as they can be, editing out offensive comments and just including the parts where they make fun of themselves, as opposed to other people.

"How dare they put warnings, how am I supposed to be offended if they warn me I may be offended?
I'm so offended at their attempt to prevent people from being offended D:<"
/NotAtAllSeriousPleaseDontHitMe

TRIGGER WARNING FOR DOUCHE-NOZZLES: THERE IS A TRIGGER WARNING ON THIS VIDEO.

There, problem solved :D

The Game Grumps fanbase has to be one of the hardest to please fanbases ever, and it just seems so sad that people take TRIGGER WARNING in the worst way. Arin is trying to be considerate to the people that might take it poorly, and I think either he or Suzy has admitted to depression, so it's really not unheard of. I hate how people reacted so poorly to the whole situation. :C

Zoe has admitted to having literally slept to gain monetary gain. Her personal life is her own thing but it actually unvealed a heavy dose of censorship that is plaguing the media. Misogny is a problem, a woman using her body to further her career is text book example of misgogny though because it implies that the woman in question is only able to reach her status by being reduced to sex. She has also used her power to take down entire websites and internet achives of said websites. Zoe has even lied about having lost her home, which was a blatant and rude lie.