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Please don't edit my tags by Susiron
Uhhh please don't add tags to my work without consulting me first???
I find it really off-putting...
If I forget "blood" or "gore" or something trigger-worthy sure, but please don't throw other, less important tags on my pieces without messaging me about it first.
If you need something tagged, please just ask me. I really appreciate knowing what's going on my work, and I'll be more than happy to save you from seeing something you don't want to if you can only just talk to me about it first.
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Is it? I've been looking but I can't find it-- I can only find an option that doesn't let people remove them?
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ye thats what ive used?? ive never really noticed any tag changes but that might also be bc i dont really care about tagging and kinda wish it was optional ahhah
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You can only make it so people can't remove your tags.
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ye i figured that out ;o;
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Erk I didn't even know people could do that. I'm going to turn off my tags. ;;
Sorry to hear you're having trouble with it. -
Erk I didn't even know people could do that. I'm going to turn off my tags. ;;
Sorry to hear you're having trouble with it. -
Yeah, I hear ya. Had that happen. It's weird how quickly it sort of offended me. Like, I don't get offended easily, but I was like Uhm hey so that's my picture thank you. :c
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I think my comment below might be of value?
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I honestly would rather somebody just talked to me about it so I can tag it myself. It just seems weird that you can go around adjusting everyone's tags. :/
I don't want it to sound like i'm complaining, and I really love weasyl. It's just a feature I've not seen on other sites and I was definitely thrown off by it.-
Sometimes people can be too afraid to talk in comments in case someone has an explosive reaction :c Not that it excuses any bad examples of additional tagging...but I understand your side too and fear it a bit myself sometimes sdflkj
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Yeah, As an artist I was feeling rather iffy about it myself.
On the other hand, as one who use the tag filter I'm SO SO happy that I'm able to.
Not only will others be able to add tags that the artist missed, before I ever see the drawing, but I can add a tag to a drawing and never see it again. I love it even more because it works so well with the rating system. There is some things in the mature/adult categories I like seeing, and then there are things that I don't. This way it's not an either I won't see those things, or I'll HAve to submit myself to the things I don't like, situation. No I get to make it like I want it <3Also I think the only reason why it feels so weird, is because it's something you're not used to.
Don't expect people to ask, please don't. Some people will be too scared to. Social interaction can be scary, especially when talking to stranger, even more so if just to ask something of them. That's a really scary thing to do for some people :C-
I want people to ask. Asking might make you uncomfortable, but it makes me extremely uncomfortable as an artist that just anyone can put any tag they like on my work. If it is not your image, you should have to ask about adding a tag. You don't walk into someone else's house and take whatever is in the fridge without asking. If you want something of another person, you need to ask. Social anxiety is a problem, yes, I have it myself-- but you cannot and should not expect other people to fork over their comfort to spare your own. This is a two way street.
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Please do understand that the tags are not only there for the searches, but also for the tag filter system.
Telling people not to add the tags they filter is kinda.. not nice?
You can however make it so people cannot remove the tags you put yourself. (Thats the setting R-Wolfe is talking about.)
Anyone will also be able to see what tags you have added, and which were added by others. (Tags added by others will be with white background.)
You might have had tags added in the past without even knowing though. These inbox messages you’ve been experiencing, was recently added so that you will know if someone adds a tag.
This was added due to the fear of nasty troll taggers. If this happens now, you'll know and be able to report it. So Yey.Even if it tags appear to have been added just to widen the searches, with which your art can be found, try not to think of it as an invasion.
People don't mean any harm by it, they are just trying to help your art reach the people who are searching for it!-
A simple comment asking me to tag it myself would be more than suffice. I stand by my comment that this is a rude feature. The image is still my own and I should be consulted regarding which tags are placed upon it. Trigger warnings are a different animal, but standard categorizing tags should be left to me, and discussed with me if it such an issue for someone who follows my account.
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I will just quote myself from another reply:
Don't expect people to ask, please don't. Some people will be too scared to.
Social interaction can be scary, especially when talking to stranger, even more so if just to ask something of them.
That's a really scary thing to do for some people :CAlso, Trigger warnings doesn't really cover Enough to work with the filter system At All
Triggers are not the same as things you just don't like seeing.And the image IS still your own, they cannot change or edit it. Only add tags to your own.
Besides, what is the difference really now, between asking you about the tag and you getting the tag in your inbox with the ability to removed it if you don't agree with it? Other than putting other people through the potential stress that talking with strangers can induce, along with them having to wait for your reply?I DO agree that the system isn't perfect, not by far. And there is a need for some form of Social conduct guideline for tags, as some people can be quite tag happy. However, I really do not think Demanding that people talk with you about every single tag is the answer.
Or outright state "don't edit my tags" Since that makes the whole system obsolete.-
Please read my above reply to your other reply.
This is a problem because it puts me in responsibility of moderating something of my own work that I should not have to. I should not have to fear abusive taggers, or modify tags someone else has placed on my work. My tags should be my own, and if someone else needs me to tag something on it then they can discuss so with me.
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And I still do not think that Demanding people stop using a feature as it intended to be used, isn't the right way to go about this.
If this feature upsets you so much, Go to the forums and say your worries. Don't get upset with your watchers for using the site as it's meant to be used.-
From past experience, simply writing journals about features I dislike has both been a good way to vent frustration and discuss with other users about it-- and several times moderators have read and offered comment upon them as well.
Telling me to go to the forums and not speak my disfavor in my own journal-- and request that people viewing my work not do something that makes me extremely uncomfortable (it's a request not a demand dramallama)-- is rather rude on your part.
I know that it is a viable feature and people will do what they will, but I'm not going to shut up, roll over, and accept something that I find problematic. If you have an issue with my request than by all means ignore it, but I have told you what makes me uncomfortable and I'm not going to feel bad about doing so.
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You can not always rely on the Staff to come to you for your input. While they are quite good at it on this site, you can't rely on it. And I really think adding your thoughts to the forums would make your voice heard even higher!
Well, I did not say you shouldn't make a journal, and I did not say you couldn't vent. I said telling people to not use the site as intended isn't the solution to the problem, nor is it fair to them. I then added that you should try the forums, and I did this because I really think it's a better place for the discussion to bear any fruit. Getting a lot of people saying they agree, and no offers of how to change things in a way that doesn't hurt the other side of the issue, isn't really doing much of anything.
And since I understand and know your frustration with this feature, I really wish to see some good improvements on it.
That is why I even commented in the first place, as I think it's something that needs talking about.And lastly, I really don't want you to feel bad about anything, I Really don't.
This just isn't the solution and I wanted to point that out. Some people won't read the journal, some people will watch you later and never know it exists, some of the people adding tags might not be your watcher, and lastly you are not the only one feeling this way.
So I really think this is something that needs improving upon, so that you won't have to feel like your personal space have been invaded over and over and over again.-
I'm a bit worn out so I won't talk at length but--
I recognize that the staff will likely not see this. My intentions were not to post this in hopes that the staff would see. If they see it? Awesome. If not? Oh well. As I've previously stated I myself suffer from social anxiety and I would rather post about this in my journal and talk idly with other users about it than go into the forums and discuss it at large with staff.
I don't feel it needs improving on-- I feel it needs removed. Or at least the ability to remove it, should a user wish. I feel that an artist's ability to maintain their own tags is more important than allowing other users to tag whatever they wish on another user's image. This is my stance on this issue and I stand by it.
The core idea of a tag filtration system is to allow users to avoid potentially trigger-worthy items, fetishes, and other things that might gross them out. If a user is not tagging these sort of things, that is problematic. As long as these items are being tagged, I feel that the tag filter feature is being put to good use. As long as the staff ensures users are tagging these items, there is absolutely no need for other users to edit and alter tags.
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And if you have something else you need tagged that isn't a generally respected trigger (like, say, mice or something) simply communicating with the artist can solve this with ease
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I get where you're coming from but all it takes is one person being a jerk who decides to add a tag called something like 'bad art' or expletives or something inappropriate about a character in a picture to really ruin someone's day. And given the amount of harassment I've had to deal with online its more an inevitability than anything else. And even with notifications about tags when the inevitable trolls do appear its not fair that I have to fight them off by hand. Worst yet tags impact other people's experiences; if someone decides to tag my 'sona as 'wank bait' or something similarly gross then other people looking for that will show up. Its not like a gross comment that you can just block or delete. You have to deal with whatever gross consequences there are until the admins take care of it.
I think people should have the option to turn off tag editing by other people, so they can decide for themselves. However I personally would invite anyone interested my art to let me know about any triggers that need to be tagged so that they don't have to see them. There's certainly stuff I don't wanna see either.
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Quality comment.
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I agree with this. It would be great to have a choice, since I, personally, am fine if people add tags on my art, but I can understand that others wouldn't like that.
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Exactly this. And I agree with Susiron. Sure social anxiety sucks and makes things difficult for the one needing a tag (especially if they've already been triggered and are shaken up), but the purpose of stating "feel free to come to me about this" is to head off those fears, or at least ease them enough for a person to get the courage to ask for a tag. It's also worth noting that artists who tag with trigger warnings are generally open to adding more tags and understand that avoiding triggers is important and we can't always predict other people's triggers without a little help.
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The block function is really good though and the mods have been really good about slapping down trolls and harassment without making their user wait months for a resolution, unlike some other sites. If someone bugs you through tags, I'm pretty sure the block function will hide your work from them so they can't get to the tags in the first place, and if they can, the mods should nip that in the bud reasonably quick.
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I do understand where you come from. Oh please understand that I do! I've been quite verbal to -At least- get notifications when tags are added.
And the Staff have listened to this complaint, along with others. Such as making a visible difference between the artists tags and watcher tags.. So others can see you are not the one adding 'wank bait'.
I'm not saying that the system is perfect, because it's really, really not. But demanding that your watchers stop using the site as it's intended to be used ISn't the way to go about this. I highly suggest that you go to the forums and add your worries, or even better, your ideas for how to make it all better.Also, If someone should make abusive tags, they’ll be breaking the rules, and the staff will take away their ability to tag, and until the staff gets around to do so, you can block them. Since people you've blogged can't tag your art. So yeah, it is something you can delete and block. Which is sort of another, not so great solution, as it opens up for a whole new range of problems.
The problem with not allowing others to add tags is that the sites filter system will be rendered completely useless. The filter relies on people adding the tags that are filtered by others, yet some people, for whatever reason, don't. That is where the community is supposed to take over and add the tags the artists missed, so others won’t have to see the things they don’t like. And this isn't just about triggers, it's about anything anyone for any reason, do not want to see.
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You can have a situation like I had where someone would not stop tagging one of my images with "Female" Though the character is not female but does have breast/appears as such. Them tagging, me removing went on and on until I gave up. I felt like I had no control over what was happening with my character and removed the image.
In this case I really feel there should be an option to turn off this feature on some images. It just isn't fair to the artist and there work, as its there creation.
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Again, I'm not saying the system is perfect, and it really can use some improvements, but removing peoples ability to tag works, comes with the problem of the filter system not working anymore.
I think what you experienced was a form of harassment, and perhaps you should have alerted the staff?
If someone is abusing the system like it sound like they were doing, the staff can and will take away their ability to tag art.
And now you can "ignore"/block the person doing so, and they will no longer be able to tag your art. Though reporting people who can't handle their ability to tag, is probably better for all of the community.
This far from perfect, and I really do encourage people to go to the forums with the complaints and better yet ideas, so it can be improved.-
I had ignored/blocked the person after it started and they continued to change back the tag I had changed.
I felt powerless to go to admins as at a glance the character looks female and I make no comments about the gender its self as I thought it was a non issue to leave out the tags of any gender.I agree the system isn't perfect but disabling it on one image I feel doesn't effect the whole system in the way you suggest it does.
And to your point higher up. What about those artist who feel the same way with social interactions? I didn't wish to interact with this user who continued to go against my wishes and was to worried to contact staff. Yet the only options are to contact people, it seems though that you feel the reverse shouldn't be true and viewers shouldn't be forced into social interaction while artist should.
I should state I really don't mean any of this in an argumentative manor, I only wished to comment with a situation that was to me in nether of the extremes of abuse and was in a grey area. Its easy to say one person should do all the work in these situations but it can be hard for anyone to speak up in a situation where none feels comfortable.
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Thats really great news! I had no idea it was a bug and assumed it was working as intended. Thank you for letting me know!
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I really want both parties to be as happy about this a possible, not just watchers or artists.
That's why discussion is good, rather than just everyone agreeing. And as Hendikins points out, the block not working for tags was a bug.
A bug that was only pointed out because someone was brave enough to go to the forums and complain.
It was btw fixed really fast! So it's really not that the Staff doesn't listen, not at all. But they need to know the problems to fix them : )
I don't really like the idea of just one picture have it completely turned off. Because you'd still find spiteful people abusing it and have it turned off on all art, rather quickly it would probably be the norm even.-
And how was I to know it was a bug? I contacted staff asking if there was a way to turn it off on one submission because this seemed like the next logical step and got "No, but whats going on?" response. I felt uncomfortable discussing the situation for reasons listed above and left it. There is no reasonable way to know what is and isn't a bug and what should and shouldn't be reported. Reprimanding someone for not reporting such is going against your earlier point regarding the social anxiety.
And one can simply abuse the tagging system as well? Not everyone is being hateful and tagging rude/wrong things? So why would the reverse happen?
Perhaps something where the user who submits the work no longer sees tag change to works they chose to use this on? Would that seem a reasonable solution to you? There is still the issue that they wouldn't know if hurtful tags where being used but could distance them selves from it. I don't see a resolution, as artist are losing control of there work/creation ether way and uses /may/ see something they wish not to see.
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People not adding the right tags out of spite already -is- happening, and on top of that there is a lot of people not doing it because, lazy. Even with the two tag minimum I’ve seen quite a few outright triggering drawings with the two tags being things like “Fuck” “you” or “Required_second_tag”. The reverse Would happen, because of this "no don't touch my tags, thats rude" feeling many have, and again it would render the whole filter useless.
And well, it's more like it's not really helping either to complaint about a bug no one knew was there, when you didn't even mention so yourself? The person who did report it, didn't really go into much detail about their situation. They simply pointed out it was a major issue that blocked people could still tag your art, on top of the tagging problem. But done is done, so yeah it's just a reflection on what could be done in similar cases in the future. Not just by you btw, but mostly for myself.
And yes, the option to turn off tag edits noted in your inbox on one or all your submissions would be a great addition.
Or even make it so you could get a tag newsfeed tab that wouldn't exactly tell you it's updated, but you could go look at all the updates if you for any reason felt the need to. This wouldn't just favour insecure people, but also those who don't care to see notifications for such things, or even populair or busy people who don't have the time to look at it constantly. So that is a definitely Yes on that suggestion.
I had also originally suggested that people could set it so tag edits would be send to artists inboxes with an "yes/no" option on them. That way the artist had to say yes before it was added, giving a feeling of more control. However, if a tag was added by more than one or two people before the artist made the Y/N decision, it would be automatically added. Because then it would most likely be a problematic missing tag, and not a trigger happy tag adder. Adding to that, maybe tags approved by the artist in this manner would show up in the same colours as the artists other tags, for OCD reason mentioned in a comment way below X)
I think this would be more of a middle ground option for those artists who really want as much control as possible.
But on the other hand it could also be really freaking annoying to others, so it would have to be an option, not the default.
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Wow yeah that's-- extremely shitty. :/
The fact that other users are able to impose themselves like that on your work is kind of scary.
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Its a situation that probably wouldn't come up much I am sure, but I think it is a good gray area example for this issue. :X I thought about posting a journal like your own, but really my case was one person who likely though they where doing the wright thing at first and though I was stubborn changing it back.
I just wish there was maybe a way to disable this on some submissions :x
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I find this feature particularly problematic in that it favors the comforts of viewers more than it does that of the artists. It puts us at the mercy of whoever chooses to view our work. I agree it's important to have comfortable browsing but, more importantly, I feel the comfort of the artists who give this site items to browse should be considered first and foremost. This tagging feature makes me incredibly nervous and uncomfortable as someone placing my work on this site.
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Not disagreeing with your concerns at all, but the Old Yerf site was focused on the comfort of the viewers and was, before it's Hard drives cratered (without back up) the most popular furry site on the web at the tine (before 2004). Just an FYI.
On the other hand tagging is something new for me that I rarely do extensively.
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DA's extremely popular and pockmarked with issues that drive many artists away, even as people flock to look at the pretty pictures it possesses. Popularity speaks for nothing as far as these issues are concerned.
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Yerf was never DA (and Speaking as former Yerf Staff, we worked to avoid DA's design philosophy, and features, But I do understand your point. Not willing to spend money on DA, means the site is opaque and useless to me, as well as its loose policies towards tracing and art theft.
On the issue at hand, would a "Personal tag" system be objectionable? One where tags are assigned by an account holder specifically in relation to their own account, but not change the tags for others? This would be for sorting and organizing within their own favorites.
Thoughts?
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Hrmmmm interesting, but how would the personal tag feature show on screen? Would it only be visible to the user and leave the artist out of the affair (a more favorable option, I think), or would an artist be informed of what tags people had used on a piece (like a box that listed tags that other users had associated it with.)
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It would probably, I think, only appear to the tagger, for their account only. I can see the utility of otherwise, but I think the integrity of the presentation by the artist should be favored. That's why it's personal, as one's tags would not necessarily be used by another, such as one watcher tagging art as "Real media", or more specifically "Copic Markers", and another tagging art that is features characters wearing uniforms and splitting them between "authentic", and Inaccurate". But nowhere do the two systems meet.
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although i don't think it's happened to me yet, i can definitely see why it would be very off-putting for someone to add tags to your art....
luckily the weasyl staff seems to be pretty involved with the community from what i've seen so i'm sure if it's talked about enough, they'll make an option to disable tag editing eventually (hopefully haha)! -
What kind of tags did they add?
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i agree with you. really, i would like the option to toggle it off. it makes me very uncomfortable, and even though i like weasyl more then most places, i almost want to leave because of it. i am not comfortable with people editing my stuff, whether it's just tags or not. i've had a few people edit tags, and out of annoyance after asking people not to, i deleted their tags and retyped them myself. i would much prefer that I am the one in charge of tagging the art that i worked hard to make. i'm very shy, but if there was something not tagged that i wanted tagged i would still PM the artist.
to anyone who wants to disagree, please don't post on my comment. i've seen the disagreements above and im not really going to argue how i feel about a feature on artwork that i made. thanks!
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I feel the same way man. Also, the fact that the added tag is white really bugs me on an OCD level so even if it's something minor I'm going to delete it (and maybe rewrite it myself if it's necessary) just because of that, if not other reasons.
I find the settings on my image-- from descriptions to tags-- all very personal and the fact that another user can just come in and edit something of it is very unsettling to me. I would much rather be asked to alter something than just find it's been altered without my consent.
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omg yeah someone edited the tags of a commission I did, and the tag wasn't even accurate :/
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Oop, late response is late, but I feel like this issue could easily be solved if they added some kind of "approval" system to adding tags, where if you wanna add a tag to someone's picture, you have to wait for the artist to approve/accept your tag before it actually goes through, that way if you're too anxious to ask yourself, you can just submit a tag change/add request, and all the artist has to do is git "accept" or "decline" on it or something, that way the artist still has control over the tags, can prevent inaccurate/rude tags from being added just like that, and the people requesting tag changes still get their tags changed.
There could be some issues with inactive users and stuff, or even just Really Stubborn People who refuse to add a tag even if it's relevant/important, but I feel like a feature like that would still be more preferred... maybe it could even be turned on or off or something, that would be neat.-
Now this is a good idea. I think it gives the best to both sides-- it's like asking an artist to add the tag, and leaves the artist with the control-- but I suppose does also avoid communication that some might shy away from.
If this feature is to remain, I sincerely hope that a change of this nature is implemented.
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I just recently made a journal about this same issue and ...it's October. I'd like to see a better system for tags.
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I SOUND LIKE A CREEPER. I actually found this journal by google searching to see if there was an answer on how to stop tagging lol!!
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you can turn off the function that allows others to edit tags, its in your settings