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i call bulls*!t by NIXSMIS
on the ratings on this site. so what, everyone's a hyper-conservative wuss catering to 7 year olds?
no comments needed. just really annoyed.
-Nix
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Agreed. if classic paintings can be nude and hung in museums what cant tasteful nude just be Mature
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Exactly.
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you know, i didn't even think about that particular fact. i've been allowed to look at nude paintings and sculptures in museums since like 6th grade, if not sooner. we went on field trips to the art galleries and stuff
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And don't forget all the 'child porn' there was within a lot of the old more famous museum paintings with the naked little cherubs with their little flacid weenkies out while flying around, lol~
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"weenkies" XP that's a good point too. i don't think i've ever even thought to consider that "child porn" because it's mostly classical art and cherubs are rather timeless
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I posted to the forums on the ratings as well.
http://forums.weasyl.com/vbulletin/showthread.php?1017-Ratings
As someone who has grown up with and and even received some classical training it's almost insulting to have an image lumped into adult with porn because of artistic nudity.-
i saw that. thank you, you worded it very well ^_^ i've never had classical training (i REALLY want to), but i've grown up around art and art galleries, and i learned at a young age to appreciate it for what it is - beauty and art. i also really don't like porn, even though i draw it occasionally, and i spend more time than i'd like in normal conversation explaining to people the differences between "artistic nude" and "porn". everyone thinks bits equal porn these days and that's wrong, and i don't want my non-porn lumped up with my porn. it only adds to that ignorance.
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Isn't that kind of insulting to people who draw porn to call it inferior and unartistic?
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porn can be artistic. but there's a big difference between an artistic nude, and pornography
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What Nix said. I have no problem with porn and it can be very artistic.
However I would hand and tasteful nude on my wall as i would not hang porn.
There is a difference, Porn is very viable and legitimate.
But the human form is not in and of itself pornographic and shouldn't be labeled as such which is how the current rating system is set up.-
The age gating isn't calling art pornographic though, it's just calling art worthy of age gating.
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They just don't want to have to deal with legal issues, yes, it's a shame they're doing it but it's that or have parents yelling down their throats about "porn" being accessible so easily to their child.
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well then people should learn what "porn" is... *is totally a hypocrite because that's an INCREDIBLY fine line...but still*
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Porn is defined by the individual. People can find something arousing even when its -not- nude or posed/created purposely -for- arousal. Regardless though, legal issues are a problem. Sure, its kind of a pain. But if you have your adult filter turned off, then what does it really matter? Its to prevent people outside the site from seeing stuff they shouldnt without signing up. Sure, many of us have seen adult or nude things since we were young and i do agree that its a little bit obsurd for this day and age, but its there for a reason and the reasoning makes sense.
They dont sound like they are willing to change it, and honestly its probably got to do with legalities that are already in place for them. Probably thier host/provider and possibly to things they might have planned for the future of the site. So honestly, even if its odd its there for a reason and as long as you have your filter turned off, you can still see it. :/ my oppinion anyways
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but...if you have the filters on, or aren't logged in, you can't see Mature rated stuff anyway. only General. so...people wouldn't be able to see the nips as Mature still?
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I personally dont think its a bid deal really. Its their site and they probably had reasons for it and legalities and thats why they've said they cant change it. Let them get their site up and running, bugs fixed, invites open, -then- badger them about stuff like this. Its honestly more important to make a website run first, then it is to address their strict ratings.
I also agree with Norala, one mans nude can be another mans porn. Let it be for now and when they have their wanted functions up and running, then ask again about it. I'd like to see that stuff not explicit as well, but i think its probably a good thing. FA has porn visable for guests when people dont tag/rate them right. I think weasyl is trying to keep the public from thinking its a porn site and nothing else, since the majority of the people using it are furries (when its meant to be a site for all kinds of art, not just furry/anthro.)
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well, it's not like i MEANT for it to turn into a big deal. it's just something i have a problem with, so i mentioned it, and it turned into a big deal.
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I understand. o.O and i'm not blaming you or anything.. I am actually quite calm and collected. When you state your opinion, you should be prepared to hear others opinions. :/
I was involved in this discussion as a mature conversation, not trying to make a big deal out of it. Just putting in my thoughts . Just like you.
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I think the other reason may be to avoid making judgement calls. One persons tasteful nude could be someone's hard core porn so if you just say nipples =adult there is no arguing or confusion. I don't care for it either, but I can see why ita easier that way.
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well see, they've already made their judgement call. legalities or not, i'm calling it a cop-out. there has to be a way to fix it.
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Same for me, some moderator already got on me because of my first submission. If those rules stay like that, this site is already dead for me.
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it just...it makes nipples seem BAD, calling them "Explicit". clean nudity isn't BAD. hell, there's a Statue of David 20-feet tall on the side of the expressway 5 minutes from my house, out in public for everyone to see. aaaaallll the dick >.<
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The site is dead to you if you can't post nipples in one age restricted category as opposed to another?
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This has nothing to do with nipples. First, I'm male, second it is about difference between artistic nude and porn. If you can't see the difference, your problem.
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I'm not sure what being male has to do with it, and no I can't. I just see "artistic" thrown around by people trying to elevate themselves above other people for pseudo-moral grounds.
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If you think like that, you shouldn't be a moderator at all. You slap porn and nudity together, bigotry for the win huh?
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I have to say that's pretty slacktivist to call something this inconsequential "bigotry".
To separate the two you'd need a difference of definition. As has been pointed out; Which nudes are porn are which aren't are entirely subjective. Weasyl just goes by television and film standards, which generally state that erogenous zones = adult. It's simple and clear and practical.
And practicality is really what this is about. You're shoehorning a matter of pride into a matter of pragmatism.
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I'd argue that if you make them any more lax you get the complete joke that FA's "safe for work" site is. Also keep in mind that the real decider is the court of public opinion. A human in skimpy lingerie is acceptable to put in flyers delivered to random homes, but people absolutely do not see catgirls (or anything they're not used to seeing sexualized) as tame when in the same position.
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i dunno. that depends on where you are. i know a lot of non-furs that think nothing of catgirls unless it's actually porn. maybe i just grew up somewhere too lax about it and too into art, but...i don't think so
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If their age restrictions work like the ratings then I'm quite fine with it. (as opposed to FA where you can't even see Mature unless your 18) Sure it's a bit strange and I no I don't consider all nudity porn but I have seen people go crazy when their thirteen year old sees any parts they don't want them seeing even if it's readily accessible in certain areas. I personally take a figure drawing class and don't see the harm in it but there will always be those that don't understand.
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i think the playing field needs to be leveled as to what's accepted by people.
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I am so confused why nipples are considered adult and not just mature.