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Trans* Stuff by Nuka
So this might be unpopular opinion, but I agree with everything this guy says minus the stuff about bathrooms. I've had discussions with some other people, but I'd like to see the opinions of people here too. But basically...people like this are the reason why I can't take the trans* community on tumblr too seriously because way too many people are like this person when it comes to trans issues.
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ZLEd5e8-LaE
edit// Before anyone complains, I'm using trans* with the asterisk because I'm talking to EVERYONE that's gender non-conforming. So please don't give me shit for using the term.
So yeah. Opinions?
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Uh...little tough to summarize. I'll get back to you in a bit.
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Basically...uhm. It kind of goes over issues of communication between trans people as a whole and everyone else. There's a lot of crazy social justice warriors that like to speak for the trans* community (if it can even be considered a community anymore because of how divided it is) and they spread around a lot of bad misinformation that definitely doesn't apply to most reasonable trans folk. They also tend to make trans people as a whole look bad. There's this mentality of "what trans people say about being transgender is the ultimate truth and you should never EVER question them". Bullshit like that.
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Yeeeah, I'd pretty much agree with that.
Except where I am we have this one exception as there is this Trans Support Group who really want to divide the line between being Transsexual from being Transgender and they make us look bad, to the wider Scottish Trans Network and also at every convention that they try to ruin. I was also called out for using the '* with pretty harsh words but I've my own opinion on it but I got rid of tumblr, then remade tumblr and when I saw the same discussion arise; wrote this http://sadenacht.tumblr.com/post/90258350581/tumblr-specific-regarding-the-trans-asteriskI remember people locally held a campaign for gender neutral toilets and the university obliged. So any restroom that was a single stall got the label on the door taken off, making it free to use for all.
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It feels like everything is just way too complicated. No matter what, you're going to offend someone. I mean I thought trans* was a nice and simple way to talk about everyone, and it was cool for a while....but now holy shit everyone's taking offense to it.
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I love walking into minefields and flagging more tricky areas that require nuance to understand. I don't appreciate the sentiment it'll offend at least one other person, but I'm more interested in why it would get that reaction.
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Oh, walking into social minefields is just fantastic. -sarcasm-
The worst part is when you're trying to discuss important issues and people get way too caught up with smantics.
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I'd tend to agree with the response video. It's almost as though there's an extreme paranoia that pervades both sides, one afraid of being victimized for who they are, and one afraid of being called out and metaphorically being burned at the stake for making one mistake. So both sides feel that they have to step lightly around one another instead of actually trying to make any real sort of changes.
Regarding the bathroom thing, I think that a gender-neutral bathroom would be the simplest solution.
But, y'know. I'm just cisgendered ferret scum, so I'm not allowed to have an opinion.-
The only problem with the gender neutral bathroom thing is that most public places don't have them. The ones that do are generally for disabled people and you tend to get funny looks for trying to use it. Way better than getting called out in the normal male/female bathrooms, though.
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By the way I do feel that discussion on transgender issues is extremely important, unlike those who say that you should just shut up and listen. People like that are just stuck up and looking for attention.
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Of course discussion is important. It's the only real way to get any proper information on a topic because it gives multiple sides. I will admit to being largely ignorant to the issues that face trans people in general, but I can at least share my limited opinions where I have them. Regarding the bathroom situation once more, I am of the opinion that there aren't nearly enough neutral bathrooms, and it was more of a theoretical best case scenario. But to those who would tell me to shut up and listen, I ask them why I should shut up.
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lmfao the asterisk is actually transmisogynistic. also the use of "cr*zy social justice warriors" nice ableism buddy. some piece of work you are
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....yeah, this is exactly the kind of attitude I'm talking about. Some piece of work I am? What, for saying that there's people out there who do nothing but try to make us look bad?
And I seriously can't believe you're calling me transmysoginistic for the simple use of a word. I'm a pretty binary FTM and trans* doesn't feel "oppressive" to me in any way. I say it with the intent of addressing everyone under the umbrella, which I already explained.
Seriously, this is why we can't have normal decent discussion with people. Everyone is so quick to draw their claws and throw insults at people they don't like.
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How is it transmisogynistic? The asterisk is used as an inclusive term, based on basic web-search technique. Trans with the * at the end means that trans-anything is intended to be represented. Where is the misogyny? I'm actually curious. Call me uneducated or what have you but I kinda want to know whats wrong with the asterisk
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http://queer-cheer.tumblr.com/post/75633348118/about-the-asterisk
for both of you.
also @nuka nice job getting defensive about someone letting you know that you're using a harmful
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Okay...first off, only two of those links work. Second, tumblr isn't a legitimate source. There's been one other person who's tried this on me, and this person also called me transmysoginistic when I wanted to have a civil discussion on real issues. If you want real sources, use information from actual LGBT centers or something.Something like this:
http://www.pdxqcenter.org/bridging-the-gap-trans-what-does-the-asterisk-mean-and-why-is-it-used/
Use actual organizations or something. I'm really sorry but I'm just tired of seeing people use tumblr as justification. It just doesn't work.I'm gonna be honest, only people like you with made up pronouns seem to cause these kind of issues. I really wasn't going to say anything since we actually used to be on pretty good terms (I mean we had fun in that stream a few months ago, right?) but now you're just being ridiculous.
Trans* is a nice term to use when you're speaking about everyone as a whole, which is what I was doing. I'm not talking to any one person, I'm talking to everyone be they ftm, mtf, genderqueer, nonbinary, agender, androgynous, or whatever the fuck ever one else is. It's an INCLUSIVE term because it should be used in the broad overarching sense. That's the point. You use it to speak about a group of people. Not one specific person (unless they want to use it).
The invention of the word came with good intent. Some people trying to ruin that doesn't change it. We need to unify, but be so goddamn segmented. So can we not hate each other please?
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Damn it. Of course there's a typo.
*not be so goddamn segmentedReally though, in all honesty, I really hate to see everyone so segmented and up and arms against each other. Why can't we just talk about real issues without stupid things like this popping up? You know my intent here. We need to be able to properly educate people without turning them off to trans issues.
It's a pretty prevalent issue. Normal decent people that just don't understand are being exposed to attitudes like this and they stop caring because it's hostile. That's a problem. We want the rest of society on our side so we can live open and comfortably and with the same rights as everyone else, right?
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then i guess it's not my problem because it's not good for my health to deal with people who refuse to listen to sources just because it's from a site with social justice issues being discussed.
also nice transphobia with "only people like you with made up pronouns" :)-
Darling, I'd like you to check your privilege on this. A xenogender should know better than to just belittle someone who is just trying to make his point. On top of that, you're backing up your pathetic attempt at trolling with exclusively opinion-based link chains? I mean, this is just critic gold. Give up while you can still back out, because this is only going to get worse for you. As you said, it isn't your problem, and it never was, so why not be a smart little something or other and just stay out of it? You clearly don't have the integrity, physical or ethical, to engage in any proper form of debate, based on your own admissions and what can be observed in your arguments.
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"trolling"
lmfao
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also i'm sorry if you feel belittled, nuka, i may not think you're being very nice right now but i wasn't intending to hurt your feelings or make you feel unsafe.
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....why exactly is this comment directed at me? I wasn't the one that responded to you there.
It's a shame that you decided to be so hostile to me so quickly when I just wanted to have a discussion, but you really think I feel "unsafe" because some twat thinks it funny to call me transmysoginistic and transphobic for expressing my opinions?
I am transgender. I have been kicked out and alienated by my family for wanting to live my life as myself. For wanting to be male. I struggle to make sure I can have the money and coverage so I can pay for my medical expenses. I fear being outed. When I'm in public I'm always afraid to use the restrooms for fear of what may happen if I'm caught. I've struggled with having any sense of self worth my entire life. I live the real struggle. You live in a fantasy where you think people will cater to your every whim, where if people don't properly refer to you by your little made up pronouns you'll flip your shit and call people transphobic hateful monsters. You want to bring me down because my opinions make you unhappy? Do you even realize how ridiculous it is to expect people to learn brand new made up pronouns? I'm transphobic for thinking that? There's nothing wrong with he/she/they. It's asking too much of society. Take a good look at yourself. Don't make me laugh. Get off your high horse you attention seeking piece of shit.
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If YOU feel unsafe, then maybe it's time for you to unwatch me and get the fuck off my page.
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I've been of the opinion that all bathrooms should be gender neutral. There'd be a room with just stalls and a room with just urinals, and anyone could enter either. It would simplify parents bringing their kids into the wrong room as well. It would also raise the rates if heterosexual bathroom sex incidents, proving it's not just a gay thing.
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Yeah....that would never actually happen because women are too obsessed with the idea that men will rape them if they use the same restrooms. Seriously. I've seen all the arguments.
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