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First Impressions by Karla-Chan
Now that I have been here for a little longer I am getting more used to the site. I am still getting the hang of things and haven't got everything figured out yet. However I am getting there. Plus people are being really friendly and helpful about talking to me about the in's and outs of the site. So I do feel really welcomed as a whole. So I am still pretty optimistic.
As a whole I do also feel more at home here then I have done on dA for a long time. I really like the community on here a lot actually. I love the fact that people will actually talk to you about art and characters.
It is something I have really missed, and something that I am not getting from dA and Patreon. I also think that it is great that this site has a character gallery as well as a main gallery. It is not a feature I have seen on other sites. However I am really liking that feature. I have quite a lot of characters, and I draw some of them fairly frequently, so I guess it is kind of nice to have a section were people can check them out more.
I also think this site has other great features, like being able to submit through your mobile via your Dropbox. Since that could actually be really useful. I found it a little slow, but that could have been because I was trying it out with the full printing size file. Rather then a smaller file I would normally submit on these sites. However I think it is a feature I could really use in the feature.
I do have a couple of niggles with the maturity system though. The idea of a tiered system is great and I am really loving the fact that I can submit explicit content here, as long as it is in that category. Since well actually I find drawing such content a anatomy challenge in the weirdest way you might think. I think because of the poses you are more likely have to do you have to think about how the body would move more, and thinks like how fat folds and thinks like that would be. So it is really actually quiet enjoyable.
It is something I am going to consider drawing more of in the future, since well I have here, Patreon, and Tumblr to submit it to. So it is not like I can't share it as much, as when I was just on dA.
However my niggle. The fact the female nipple is oh so mature, over 18's only. However male nipples are okay and if it was a furry or scaly creature with no visible nipple but had breast just in the same way a human would? It seems to me a bit bad that, that distinction is made. Plus breast milk being consider a sexual fluid? What the actual? Like that one doesn't effect me directly. However I do feel that it needs stating that breast are not sex organs. Their primary function is to feed children. I think my inner (probably not so inner) feminist is screaming here.
Just some cultures sexuality them. I do understand to an extent that I will have a more relaxed view on breast because I am European. We see boobs all the time in art galleries and our shopping centres in a completely none sexual manner. No one cares. No one bats an eyelid. However the other cultural difference is we tend to be less lax on violence then the US. As a whole, we see that as more offensive then none sexual nude people.
Which leads onto my other issue with this is artist nude. I fully understand that any gender at full frontal should be 18+. Since well genitals are different to breasts. Especially if the genitals are detailed. However topless, and bare bums. Should be considered artistic nude if the overall theme of the picture is completely none sexual. I seriously think there should be a distinction between them, and the over 18 setting there currently is on the site. That way people could choose to only view artist nude, but not other things as mature in the 18+ setting.
That is my two cents any any.
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Yes, I am totally a feminist! I have all these crazy idea's about women being people and stuff like that! :p ;) But honestly it is glad to see more feminists about. Since well it is actually pretty important to me.
The thing is, say if the other sites I was on were European, or UK based and that was were the difference was coming in. I could understand it more. I do notice that Americans have a bigger problem with the female form as a whole and are very much double standard with dress codes. Like in the UK we do have dress codes, but we count them for all genders. There is no difference between the dress code between men and women (both my schools even stated that even boys so wished they could wear skirts, no one did at the time, however it is there). The only thing uniform rules will say, is things like Hijabs must be certain colours that match the uniform colours and things like.
So if a woman's bra strap, shoulders and knees are "offensive" to some American's then I should imagine the boobs are like OH MY GOD THINK of the children. When well, they are not a sexual organ, and well they are to feed children. However examples you made in art galleries and shopping malls are why I think there should be an in-between category for part nudity, or artistic nude. Since well I don't think they should be classes the same as genitals. I also think the fight for public breast feeding in America is really messed up, that people make them go into toilets and things like that. It is really unacceptable in my opinion.
Plus some 15 rated films allow some female nudity. So I don't think it is fully the US law excuse, it seems like a really weird ruling. The thing is, men do actually breast tissue, and fat deposits in the same way women do. Just not as much, since men do actually have enough breast tissue to get breast cancer. It is much less common in men, but it happens.
So yeah it seems weird to censor it to that much?? Like honestly I do honestly think the next step forward is for women to be able to go topless if they so wish to, in the same situation were it is acceptable for men to go topless. It should be the same for both genders. I also think it is weird that people see a bra, and OMG the horror but a bikini is a-okay! It like kind of like the same thing? I agree with you there. If the bra is very see-through people have a bit more of a point, but often they are not and just have lace decoration? So yeah I fully agree with you there.
I think the US is a very messed up place if I am honest (not offence) but, it is weird to normalise violence which actually has a harmful effect on people. Plus we could talk about US gun crime compared to gun crime in a lot of European countries. So that is pretty damning. However at the same time consider a parts of one genders natural body super offensive. It is a bit like what the...
However artistic nude is so normalised over here. That we have in our shopping centres to make it look more fancy. I will link you some pictures of the Trafford Centre, Manchester, UK. Which is where I am from. I will mention now that the fountain were the women are completely nude, except the mermaids (but not detailed genitals, they are covered just right kind of thing) is right next to the Lego land, and the sea life centre.
https://theplastichippo.files.wordpress.com/2011/06/trafford-centre.jpg
http://www.theretaildatabase.com/Images/Location/TraffordManchester.jpg
http://i1.manchestereveningnews.co.uk/incoming/article637100.ece/ALTERNATES/s615/C_71_article_1466501_image_list_image_list_item_0_image.jpg
https://c2.staticflickr.com/4/3764/9524696620_2f753333be_b.jpg
http://farm4.staticflickr.com/3524/3221501645_dd4fb1b8de_z.jpg?zz=1
https://jocknroll.files.wordpress.com/2010/10/barton-square.jpgSo yeah, saying to me that the odd stray nipple is OMG that is for the eyes of over 18's only. Is really weird.
Also this is one front cover of a national news paper in my country: http://cached.imagescaler.hbpl.co.uk/resize/scaleWidth/614/offlinehbpl.hbpl.co.uk/news/ORP/Hit-or-miss-20140307102527264.jpg and, the page 3 of this news paper famously has a topless women. Which in the UK you can pose to be a page 3 girl on your 16th Birthday. There is also no age restriction on the news paper. Since the women are only ever topless. Since you are only allowed to model topless when you are over 16, to take your knickers off you have to be 18.
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It really is to me too, being a female who grew up with mostly guys, and always had guy friends, and all the social shit that came along with being like that haha. Even now people question my relationship and say we're actually the other gender, just because our roles are often swapped (he cooks meals, I pamper him with romance, he cleans... for examples)
Whaaaaat? Dude that's amazing! I'm so jealous of your schools! In my highschool I had wanted to go to prom in a suit, not a dress. They said I couldn't even though it fit into their long list of what girls "can't wear this because its too revealing" thing. I mean I also almost got kicked out of choir for not wearing high heels and a skirt like the rest of the ladies. So much for "not having a dress code" here am I right? Also the guys never got in trouble for showing their boxers above their pants, like what gives? Oh well.
And yeah I totally agree with you on all the breast stuff. I think personally we're just a little slow to move on our laws, and women are of the least priority when compared to all other minorities. I mean we don't even get female scholarships anymore, unless you're also black or hispanic or vietnamese! What???
I would be curious to see how gun control works for you guys over there, and the stats. Cause here in the states, the states who have the strictest gun laws are the ones with the most crime and homicide. Its kinda weird. That's why I've always been like, oh, ok, lets have conceal and carry then.
And that's a neat building, but you know what's weird? We're very much like that too! But yet we're less tolerant of actual women being like that (there's a feminist saying here, "you can sell boobs, but not wear boobs, in America").
For example here's some similar things in America that I know of:
This is currently at the white house, but originated from the art museum I was talking about: https://upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/commons/thumb/b/b3/Standing_Woman.jpg/220px-Standing_Woman.jpg
Same art museum (btw this one is on the same floor as the kids art section): http://40.media.tumblr.com/tumblr_md53ad381C1rt8jooo1_1280.jpg
In our museums... http://www.studioeis.com/wp-content/uploads/2012/09/03-Anthrolopogy-626x470.jpgSo I really don't get why on an alive and moving woman its so shocking :I
Also our ads that are plastered all over malls, which aren't great for women's self esteems:
http://newvoices-wings.haydenmcneil.com/home923/wp-content/uploads/2014/07/heidi-klum-victoriassecret-the-perfect-one-ad.jpghttp://cdn.abclocal.go.com/content/kgo/images/cms/374177_1280x720.jpg
This one blatantly looks like a stripper: http://i.ytimg.com/vi/b_FzK5SUrbQ/maxresdefault.jpg
but also if you're a woman and you ever take your clothes off here OMG WHY DID SHE GET SO DESPERATE SHE MUST HAVE DADDY ISSUES and if you strip? OMG SHES UNFIT FOR SOCIETY SHE MUST BE AT THE BOTTOM OF LIFES HIERARCHY but if a guy does its like "oh yeah well he can do what he wants thats cool"
So its kinda neat to see that you guys encourage it over there. Cause well, that's nice to see not all of the world freaks out like we do xD
Hell I've had people tell me before to be careful as a woman who is open about sexuality and sexual issues cause "guys might misunderstand you and assume they can do things with you" LIKE WHY?
Also my hanging out with only male friends got me lovely nick names such as slut, lesbian, whore, etc -shrugs-
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I fully agree with you, were this so much wrong with out society; and I hate the stripper means "Daddy issues" things. Since honestly I know education is really expensive, like stupidly so. So if you come from a poorer family why not do it? I mean if it gets you through education and thinks like that, then why would that be a bad thing? I think there are many complex reason's to why someone would become a stripper.
Also if the money is good enough any way, why not? There is a market for it. I mean I couldn't personally do it myself. However if a women has it, and if she can do it. I don't blame her. I don't think it makes anything wrong with her. It is really hard to make money in the world we live in at the moment for any one, so if they can. I honestly don 't think they should be judged for it.
Plus there is a market for it, and if you ever require the services of the market then I don't think you get to judge anyone on top of that. Since well you are the reason people do it, because you are creating the demand.
I also agree there are so many double standards, I mean women are objectified so much, but yet if a little bit of titty is out to breast feed a child. The oh gods, how dare she! I just really don't understand the logic behind it. I am also really sorry that having so many male friends got you called names like that. It is not acceptable really. Plus yeah, you are right. Guys should know self control and if your friends do then what is the issue?
Luckily in the UK, there wouldn't really be that much of an issue. I mean sometimes I ping gaydar, whoever I am bisexual so I can fully understand sometimes pinging on it. If that makes sense?
Oh and as for UK gun crime, it really isn't a thing. It is so rare. The last gun mass gun shooting in the UK was in 1996. Here is the wiki: https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Dunblane_school_massacre
Also this is our entire history if a police offer shooting someone, the entire history. Look how shot the list is and notice the earliest date is 1920: https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_of_killings_by_law_enforcement_officers_in_the_United_Kingdom
If you look at that compared to the US, it is really telling. Since well our police officers don't carry. Since guns are hard to get hold of in the UK. The criminals rarely have them, so the police don't need them. Our police officers also have to account for every bullet when guns are used. Every bullet has to be tracked down and justified.
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The whole stripper thing makes me upset only because there's such a double standard, but i suppose its a huge double standard about male/female bodies as a whole. If a female strips, omg what happened to her in her life? But if a male does, like Channing Tatum (who was originally a stripper before acting as a stripper in movies) people are like, huh, cool, good for him. If a woman's nudes are leaked, she gets harassed so badly she wants to end her life in most cases. But if a man's are leaked, he can joke it off and society goes haha yeah thats funny... shame on his ex girlfriend or whatever for leaking those, he should've been able to trust her. I think this still fuels the whole, men can be shirtless but women can't as well. Its... very odd to say the least.
Basically in society, whatever's happening, it must be the woman's fault somehow. The amount of shaming we do is incredible. Hence why women feel the need to apologize so frequently; its ingrained into our social beings.
Huh, yeah I did some research of my own, and you're right, while the gun deaths and violence is much lower for you guys, assaults and violent crimes are still higher. Its just done with everything BESIDES a gun. And much more people over there worry about being assaulted. So -shrugs- I don't know which is right, or which is wrong. But it may also be easier for the UK to say, nah, no guns, cause you guys are a pretty small island (no offense) and meanwhile we're hooked up next to Mexico, who tends to supply our criminals with guns and drugs. So even if we put stricter means into place, you'd only be affecting those who want to get guns legally anyway.
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I agree, it is the double standard thing that bothers me too! Since well men and women should be held to the same standards. Although actually in the UK it is illegal to leek nudes, it is one of the the recent things I am proud of. If you leek nudes you can get up to 2 years in prison. We all call it revenge porn.
When the law came in there was no shaming, it was well everyone does it kind of attitude. However women are still shamed for other things. I think that law came in to protect both genders. If I am honest I think it must of effected just as many men for it to come in as quick as it did as well.
Yes, our crime rates are similar depending on states. Although we do have some area's that are higher. However there is more chance of surviving and being okay if it is just someone ruffing you up a little for your stuff. We are very cautious about it as a whole though yes, we are taught things to try and prevent the crimes from happening to us. I still personally feel it is better not to have guns. It is something I firmly believe and no one has convinced me otherwise since.
Since we seriously do not have mass shoots were as the US does. Which would not be consider under the same crime as being mugged. If that makes sense?
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...we should adopt some sort of similar policy. That is smart as hell. At the very least, not make it the woman's fault. That's good to hear that somewhere out there treats it as such.
And yeah, it does, but then its not called a violent crime here. A mass shooting would indeed be homicide, mass homicide indeed. Even manslaughter is a thing here. And for some reason, the homicide rates are still higher in the UK, despite not having guns. So its not actually the muggings I looked into, but rather the death rates/homicides/manslaughters.
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It was something I really impressed by actually. Since there was no shaming, it was well everyone does it. So it was kind of assumed that pretty much most couples do actually have nudes of each other, hence the need for the law. I am so happy we did actually bring it in.
So I think we normalise the fact that couples who are having sex with each other have nudes of each other. So I think that could be the difference. So yeah it is bad if they get out since they are considered intimate. Since well most people would be too embarrassed to let others see them like that.
So yeah, it is now considered a crime over here, and you can face prison time if you post "revenge porn". Which I think is pretty awesome actually.
I see, we put them in violent crime as well. Also the very first result I found said as a whole the USA is ranked higher all round: http://www.nationmaster.com/country-info/compare/United-Kingdom/United-States/Crime Although we were consider much worse for drug use compared to the USA, but you were right on the fear of crime. I know the UK is over all a high crime rate.
However I do think the ban on guns in the UK is 100% right. I don't think anything could change my mind on that. Many people from the US have tried. A mass shouting in the UK would be a huge shock and would make the national news.
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Yeah no kidding, that sounds like a great law to have :O
And huh, well fair enough. Although mass shootings are rather uncommon here too, and make the news when they happen as well. But I suppose we shall agree to disagree on guns -nods-
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Yeah it was only a recent law, but I think it is a good one.
The USA has far more mass shooting, but yeah we can only agree to disagree on the subject. Since honestly I am very much standing firm on the guns are a really bad thing to have easier access to.
No country is perfect, and honestly I have plenty of bad to say on it. However these are things I do think are right. However I do understand that people from the US want to have guns.
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Hey at least you're giving us that. I've met some people who stopped being my friend merely because I say that maybe banning guns wouldn't be a great idea for us.
And you're totally right, no country is perfect, as it is ruled by humans, and humans by nature are imperfect beings
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I do actually think banning would be a good idea, I understand it would be really hard to implement. Since so many people do actually own guns, and well it would cost a lot of money and be a huge project and would have be be done over a long-ish period of time and phased out.
However I am happy to say that we each are entitled to our own opinions and don't have to agree on the subject. Hence the agreeing to disagree. As someone from the UK. I honestly think the US gun laws are currently not right, and something needs to be done. Even if it was more restrictions.
I think some countries are better then others, and if I am honest I really think the model that Scandinavian countries seems pretty good actually, and they have some really amazing ideas. Like honestly part of me wishes I could live in Norway.
That being said, I am reptile lover, and all reptiles are banned in Norway. So again, no where is perfect.
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I would like to add, that list of police, actually it is all deaths. Not just gun deaths.
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Glad to see your a feminist too, and as far as nipples go, since Weasyl is an American site, these things are OH GOODNESS SO SEXUAL
I have similar issues... but really just with America viewing it as such, more than the site. They're just abiding by our laws.
My favorite is here where I live, you cannot breastfeed in public (without being heavily covered, and even that is getting challenged and they want women to just bottlefeed out in public cause OH GOD BOOBS) but you can go into an art museum and see tons of naked women, or into a mall and see tons of victoria secret models
I was also frustrated as one time i was on the beach with some friends, and they had TINY LITTLE BIKINIS on, like, BARELY covering their nipples! But that was considered ok because the offending nipple was covered up. I took off my shirt and just had a bra on (private beach btw, no one there but us) and my friends flipped out and informed me (and they were right) bras in public can get you indecent exposure, while bikinis do not. Even though my bra covered more of my breasts. What the actual fuck?
Also I'm confused because womens nipples are whats censored... but men have nipples too? Why wouldn't it, if anything, though id still not agree, but itd make more sense to be about the thing men dont have, the fatty tissue surrounding it! Idk... its a bunch of weird. But hey, we passed same sex marriage. Maybe we can work on our womens rights still too.
And yes I agree with europe, I don't understand why violence is more acceptable here. Like, I saw parents bringing their kids to American Sniper... but... why. But that has less to do with our country and more to do with its people I guess. Especially cause the people make the country ya know?
All in all, I just agree with you.