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what does it take to make people STOP drawing this pose? by pleistabix
Those unfortunate few of you who bothered to come here from the associated furaffinity page may recall that I have a long-standing feud with a particular pose that people always draw unless I specifically tell them not to, and then will probably go ahead and draw it anyway, even though I have never once put that pose in my gallery or any reference material without writing a big NO next to it. (figure 1) http://imageshack.us/a/img33/7041/vg4n.png
I thought I would seem too psychotic if I made the NO too big, or had that on the public reference; I usually waited until I asked for a drawing to say "by the way, please do not do this," but sometimes it seems too verbose and awkward, because I secretly fear that everyone I approach shares notes from me with each other to laugh at, so I tire myself out trying to find unique and eloquent ways to say it, which dilutes the main point that I am giving somebody money specifically to do what -I- want. Why should I find different ways to say I want something which is not different at all? So I should make it more public and blatant. And besides, the more words I use, the more chance people have to ignore them entirely. I am afraid of SEEMING psychotic, but on this topic I am, so I only invite ruin by pretending otherwise..
https://www.weasyl.com/submission/446061
Do you think that is obvious enough? Do you think I should put it on the left? Would a ghostbusters symbol be more explicit? Is there still some chance somebody could claim "oh I thought that red X meant pirate treasure, and pirates are cool so I drew that pose U R a pirate lol" ?
what does it take to make people STOP drawing this pose?
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I have seen the anime explanation before. It seems like some people RESERVE it for me, though. http://thelivingshadow.deviantart.com/gallery/ like this person has a basic pose that all his commissions get and I saw that and thought "ah splendid, someone I won't have to tell not to do that." And so I did not. And...
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Well, there's also the (stupid, stereotypical) idea that folks want their "women" to be bimbos who are easily taken advantage of, and that pose screams "I'M DUMB AND HELPLESS??" [this thought is a little more out there, and I definitely don't agree with/endorse the ideas I just typed. Don't flame me please.]
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Of course not! If anyone deserves to be slapped around it is I. I can see how somebody might get a "this character is an idiot" impression from that reference picture. Maybe I should add glasses.
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Glasses... you're teasing me!
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I did not intend to when I thought of it, but the possibility occurred to me before I submitted the comment, yet I still did so. This topic turns me into a strange person! I had indeed been meaning to draw the creature with glasses, somehow.
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Well, I'm all for it either way - and I'll probably do it if you don't, now that the idea is planted in my head...
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Indeed I did, but it is functionally identical to the [older] drawing I uploaded earlier and not at all colored, so will not be seen at this time. However, it is simple to just draw big circles around the eyes of someone without glasses to preview how it looks.
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Now that I think of it, if you saw the lope wearing sunglasses last week, I considered that an unexpected triumph. And by triumph I mean I wanted to punch the fool in the nose.
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oh, I did see that! If the glasses break when it gets punched, please inform me.
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Say that you don't want your characters to be drawn pigeon-toed?
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Ah! Somebody provided me with that terminology during my like-whined journal last year and I completely forgot about it. It is certainly faster to say, but I cannot presume everyone knows what it means, and I know too many folk who will do everything the wrong way and make an excuse before they will ask for clarification about something they do not understand.
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True! But I feel like, I dunno, if something a client said do you is confusing or you haven't heard of it, you'd look it up or ask for clarification? Maybe that's just me though haha.
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That could potentially be related to why I have come to buy from you twice. Maybe you have not had to ask about something, but there could be a number of factors I appreciate that go together.
One person, when I pointed out that I said not to draw that pose, said something like "I know but I couldn't get it to work the other way." Actually there have been a few "I know you wanted something else, but is this OK?" if they are even courteous enough to acknowledge that they knew all along. I suppose with some buyers that sort of thing IS "ok," but it seems like a bad way to do business, to me.
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That does seem a bit rude and even presumptuous of them. :c
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I would never do this (now) :D
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I am sure it is fine in most circumstances! I only wonder what about my requests make people instinctually reach for it.
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For some reason, your energetic poses (which are SUPER awesome and lively!) remind some artists of that common pose. Wish I could explain why. I was even reminded of that pose when I (re)found your artworks, despite the fact that it is nowhere to be seen in your illustrations. Then I read this journal and went "woah" a little. Maybe neuroscience would have the answer..
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The Ghostbusters symbol would work (and be funny xD).
Or, maybe some bigger text in that area (not just saying "No" because ppl might not get the idea, but maybe "Plz do not draw a pose like this" or something).Any time you commission someone tho I would just be as specific as possible to avoid any unwanted poses. Even if it's tedious, sometimes you have to repeat yourself over and over. ... And it helps if the artist offers for you to see a WIP, also.
Maybe you can give me some advice in return, heh. I am gonna have this problem with my own refs, because I'm rather anal about Amanda's bow (it's on her head, not attached to her neck, blahg), and that is literally one of the only things I am anal about when people draw my characters, and the main thing people get wrong XD
I think some people will draw it how they want regardless, and in those cases, it's best to get art from someone that you know will draw the way you want, I suppose.-
Some people see many words and just skim until they see the bare information they need, or insist on "winging it" regardless of anything. I think those sorts are bozos and dig their own professional graves like that, but few aspire to be professional and usually have fans who are more open-minded than I am, so perhaps I should just be more cautious of people who seem questionable.
A bow on the neck sounds uncomfortable! Although I could not tolerate a wrist watch. I think a diagram is certainly important in a case like that, including much obnoxious emphasis to indicate both YES and NO. The trouble with a diagram showing what NOT to do is that some people take that the image exists at all as a suggestion, even if it is on fire and leaking toxic fluid, but at least you know you did what you could. I figured "no" was adequate and obvious in any language, but experience says otherwise.
And then with all this you risk having somebody do it wrong just to annoy you, but a friend would not do that in a serious way, and someone that you paid is then either an idiot or a scumbag. And then we can be glad it is just a cartoon drawing.-
Yeah, I pretty much agree with your comment! All of that is very true...
But yes, you must be very very specific, as much as possible. I always try to be clear about what I want. For example I always tell people "Remmie (the hamster formerly known as Remi) is a girl. She is a very tomboyish girl, but a girl nonetheless." Even though it is right there on the ref -and- I specified what I wanted, I still got people who draw her looking scarily masculine or saying "he", "him", "boy" in the description and so forth. So... you are probably going to get people who don't pay attention, sometimes. And I also wonder if they do it on purpose! Fine with me, I guess- I will just draw what I want myself xD
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My sister does this with all her female drawings. I mentioned that this pose would either hurt their legs/spine or there is something medically wrong. She just goes with "it's my style" excuse. I'm sure many use this same excuse to draw it on every character.
Also, it might be done as a cutesy thing.
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I have my own recurring poses, obviously, but I always ask people if they want something specific in advance to avoid imposing my personal weirdness on anyone who does not desire it. I think it is best to not try and pass off a bad habit as style unless one really has no other choice, but numerous people have had very lucrative careers from that, so I am probably wrong as usual.
It is important to support one's siblings, in any event. I wish I had encouraged my own sister's art more. I also would never show her this page here.
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That pose looks quite uncomfortable to maintain for long.
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Sadly, it resembles a pose that a bird character might make; however, I have never drawn it making such a pose. Usually, I draw it looking bewildered or oddly over-confident when it should really be bewildered.
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You can draw any creature in any pose you want so long as I do not give you money and specifically request that you refrain from doing that. I would never attempt to revoke another's right to be be be be bewildered.
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It's not a very natural pose to begin with. Out of curiosity, I just stood up to try to do that pose. As soon as I did it, I could feel my IQ drop.
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I used to do that pose years ago when i was not as good at drawing. I am happy to say that I have grown out of doing that, probably for good.
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Ahh that was more recent. But nice catch.
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I think that pose is an anime thing, or a general cheesecake pinup sort of thing. A default fallback template for people who can't come up with original poses (me).