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Controversial Journal: Artist selling to/using other artists. by BlueNire

Uhm..
This is really, really hard for me to say these things (because I hate seeming like an asshole/bitch) but this just KEEPS happening to me over and over again.

So much so that I'm beginning to think I'm a prime target for whatever reason so..

Here goes...

I'm going to be blunt and straight up.

1.Please STOP going way out of your way too sell things to me.

I don't have a lot of money.
Now, If I TELL you that I want to commission you, and/or buy something from you then that's awesome and I'll totally throw money at you.

However.

I've received...::counts:: 6 offers in the past month and that's about my monthly average where fellow artists contact me to try to make a sale to me.

Now, I TOTALLY 100% understand that you need money and want to "make it" as an artist! I GET THAT!

But, think about this for a second.

For someone like me (who is kinda..super wimpy/sensitive) It makes me feel like you're telling me my own art is crap and worthless and that I should just stop drawing myself and just buy better art.

:(

Yeah.
Like I'm subtly being told "Hey.....I know you draw but......you know... MY stuff is better, y'know? So just don't worry about yo' own thang and I'll draw you up something better, okay dear?"

-_-

2. Do not ask me to advertise for your own gallery on my own journal.

If I decide on my own to do this FOR you that's one thing. I totally don't mind helping other artists out, but I don't...I don't like being asked over and over again to do so....it......again it makes me feel like my own stuff is worthless.

BESIDES.
Let's look at hard statistics.
On my dead Furraffinity account ( bluenire) I had 1,717 followers.
I have 249 here on Weasyl.

That's is a MASSIVE difference.

Meaning; by me advertising for you, I'm no longer going to be able provide anywhere NEAR as much exposure as I might have on FA.

So it would be more beneficial for you to just...find a popular artist.

Okay I'm really sorry about all this.
I don't want to step on anyone's toes.
I'm making this huge blanket-journal so as not to call attention to anyone in particular.

It just..I'm not a strong person and I don't like feeling like...I should just stop drawing.

I'm in a bad place right now and I'm really this [ ] close to stopping arting right now altogether.

I really can't take it right now.

I'm sorry.

<3
Nire

Controversial Journal: Artist selling to/using other artists.

BlueNire

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    If it means anything I don't think any of this is remotely assholish at all, I'm more discouraged by the fact you have to say it. I can't imagine shoving myself on people to buy my art without them first stating they were looking to buy art honestly.

    And yeah I get you on the "advertise me" thing, coming form anyone who is not a close friend of mine, it rubs me really wrong that a person literately wants to use me or the fallowing i worked for for personal gain, not to say I have a remote fallowing to speak of regardless and yet people still come to me asking for me to advertise them. It just makes me incredibly uncomfortable and makes me feel like the person sees me as more of an object than another person.

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      "If it means anything I don't think any of this is remotely assholish at all,"
      It means the WORLD to me to hear someone say that! THE WORLD. Thank you so very much, Basilisk! I really appreciate it!

      Also, you got it! I, too, feel like just an object when this happens to me... like I'm only worth how useful I am for the other persons gains.
      It does not feel good.

      I'm sorry that you can relate, but on another note, I'm glad that I'm not the only person who feels this way!

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    this does not make you a bad person at all. advertising is one thing, going to people's personal spaces and saying "buy my stuff" to them directly is just inappropriate. that is not on you. i got a couple rare ones on fa back in the day and i seriously just ignored them. if anything that makes me want to commission them even less. i don't like being pressured into things and making someone feel bad or guilty for not being able to is just crappy. i'm sorry you had this happen enough to where you had to say something about it x.x

    also, please don't stop arting ;o; even your silly fun little doodles always make me happy <3 if you need a break, that's fine of course, but please don't give it up cause...i love nirearts a lot ;o; <3333

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      Thank you dear! I really really appreciate your reply! I'll try to keep drawing but it gets hard to keep at it some days you know? :)

      Thank you for the vote of confidence! I..think people targeted me because I have been known to commission in the past, and that I have a very hard time saying "no". Like it stresses me out. ToT
      Ugh...but it sounds like you can relate!! Which I'm sorry for!-hugs-

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    When artists ask me to buy their commissions, like -- I remember following someone back on fa, and they were like, immediately asking if I'd like a commission, and I was like -- I got no money for this. And that artist was just very much so, like their whole thing it felt like, was trying to sell their art. I think they cared about their art, so it wasn't like they were just making it to sell -- but man did they push their art. I eventually unwatched them. They were doing it wrong.

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    Also this doesn't seem assholish to me.

    Also did they say anything specific that was like "here I can make you better art" or something like that, or is it the way you feel when anyone asks that, as it they were implying but didn't say it overtly?

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      Hello! Thank you for the reply! Has anyone outright said "here I can make you better art" ? Well, no and I'm sure that this is all saying a whole lot about my own insecurities when I'm feeling this way.
      Although, on a trade that I did with someone, I finished my end of the trade (spent time and effort on it) and the person said " Thanks! Maybe later you can add more details and put more jewelry and stuff on my character!" .. ...they still have yet to fulfill their end of the trade and I think it's been over a year?. So..You could say these feelings are all accumulative?.I'm just not feeling very confident about my artwork right now.

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    Hard sales tactics are tacky period.

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    I really hope you didn't consider my question about Nire that I sent you awhile back on FA as something like this. When you didn't respond I assumed you were insulted or weirded out, but actually I just wanted to draw you gift art =\ that's fine though. I do agree with what you're saying.

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      ACk! Nononono, or at least I don't think so? To be honest, I don't remember the question/request?? I'm so very sorry!! So nono I'm not insulted or weirded out or anything because I honest to goodness can't remember! ( My notes were a wreck! I'd lose all sorts of things in there!) What was the question again? I'm so terribly sorry!

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        Ahh no it's ok ^^ I was just wondering what kind of outfits Shire Nire wears, if she were to dress up nicely for something. That's all!

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          OH! HA! Uhm..gosh! Let me think. Well she's the shy and insecure parts of me ... Most likely something flowing and covering to be honest HA! Shawls for sure..gloves.... :D I hope this answers your questions!

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    I'd be getting irritated too. That's really odd that they seem to be hounding you.

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      I think it's because I DO commission people from time to time and I'm really bad at saying "no" because.... I feel bad saying "no". :(

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        Yea, it is hard to say no sometimes. I have that problem too

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    Nothing in this is assholosh. The behavior that has lead to the need for this journal is tho :/

    Glad you know your boundries and are setting them! -super high five-

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      -supa' high-five-! Thank you dear! I really appreciate the vote of confidence! This journal really stressed me out for some reason!

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    You're no butthole.
    I agree with the other commenters; those people are rather rude. And even if you'd stand alone with your opinion, you have all the rights to feel that way. :>
    That door-to-door type of art selling sound a bit like telling someone you want to make gift art for them but you want them to pay you for it. Eugh.

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      I really appreciate your vote of confidence! I just don't really understand it personally...

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    Wow, I didn't realize some people were so pushy about these kinds of things. It really is pretty rude of them to be bothering you to commission them. It really takes the fun out of buying art when someone is coming around like a door to door salesman trying to get you to commission them. Like Sakovri said, it's like trying to get someone to pay for their own gift.

    I think some people need to realize the best advertisement can be their own customers. I don't pay as much attention to general endorsements of 'just because they asked me to' as I do to people saying they had a great experience commissioning a particular artist.

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      "I think some people need to realize the best advertisement can be their own customers. I don't pay as much attention to general endorsements of 'just because they asked me to' as I do to people saying they had a great experience commissioning a particular artist."

      THIS!! A THOUSAND TIMES THISS!! Absolutely!
      My best guess is that by being pushy, they've garnered some success with that tactic because I'm not sure why they'd keep doing it.
      I think people just target me because, I have been known to commission people and I have a very hard time saying "no". (They can smell my weakness! lol)
      Who knows....I don't understand it myself.

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        Gosh I would just feel so like I was being a bother if I was pushy about getting people to commission me. The pushiest I've ever been was telling someone I could work out a payment plan for them after they had expressed interest in commissioning me.

        It's very low to target someone like that... There are so many people out there that are actively looking for people to commission! They need to find those people.

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    <3 hun not bad of you at all. If anything those people should be ashamed. An just want to take advantage of you. You are the kindest loving soul I know an I'm glad to know you. We don't get to talk much recently but I think about you a lot an browse through your tumbler to see whats new an interesting on your plate.
    You are a wonderful artist an its someone's selfishness that causes you to feel that way then fuck them. I've looked up to your art so long that it makes me do the wtf face when I hear stuff like this.
    You've helped me in the past an any time you need anything let me know Im only a message away if you ever want to add me on facebook. BTW the munchkin is three now an I need to show you how adorable she is...sqweee.

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      HELLO DEAR!! <3 <3 Gosh I hope you're doing well, I just want to send all my good vibes and thoughts your way! I do think of you from time to time and wonder how you art!
      Facebook? oh! Unfortunately had to quit facebook (workplace troubles!) but I have google plus?? OH MY GOSH 3 years old ALREADY! I still remember when they were just born! Gosh time flies! That's amazing! Goodness gracious I just hope you two are doing well!

      As for this journal, I think people just know that I have a hard time saying no so I'm...I'm a good target for this sort of thing... From now on, I think I'll just link them to this journal and I'll be set! :D So no worries!

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    Awwww I'm sorry if I've ever made you feel pressured! I've never thought of it this way, but more as an "us artists gotta stick together and support each other" and whatnot. I know a lot of artists like to collect others' art in addition to doing their own. I've never meant to say my art is better than yours and you should just buy mine instead ;__;

    ANYWAY I'm really sorry and I'll try not to do it again and if I do feel free to yell at me!

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      Nononono This is more at the people who add me on skype, talk to me mayyyyyyyyyyyybe 2 times max?
      They make lots of small-talk like "Hi, how are you?" and then go immediately into "So would you like to commission me? Here are my prices"

      O.O

      And I don't even know who it is really yet!! Like ...hello?! WHO ARE YOU?!? WHAT DO YOU WANT?! -actually I know what they want..heh.. XD
      Sometimes they don't even send me any art examples and it's just... BAZAAR! I think I'm on a "this person throws money around" list or something! o.o

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        Oh okay good <3 Yeah that's really tacky and rude as hell. I'm glad I didn't offend you at least!

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    I want to sell you hugs. But the only currency I accept is more hugs. It's a vicious cycle. <3

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      Well, you're in luck because I have a surplus of hugs to give! -HUGS- hehe <3

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    Legit feelings are legit!

    I hope I didn't sound like an ass when you talked about the reference sheet, I just think your characters are neato and would be like YAY if you ever commissioned me to draw some, but I TOTALLY understand the being poor thing, which is why I rarely commission other artists. But seriously your work is really nice and (please) don't let the self-promoting-you're-doing-it-wrong-folks make you feel otherwise.

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      "Legit feelings are legit" hehe :)

      HEAVENS NO! I approached YOU about that reference if I remember right, and if I don't remember right, I SHOULD have approached you forthright because your artwork is just wonderful and I'd be honored to commission you! (Also, I thank you profusely for the compliment! I'm soooo not worthy but I thank you a million zillion times! You're far too kind! <3)

      This journal is more at the people who add me on skype, talk to me mayyyyyyyyyyyybe 2 times?
      They make lots of small-talk like "Hi, how are you?" and then go right immediately into their sales pitch

      "So would you like to commission me? Here are my prices"

      O.O

      -and I don't even know who it is really yet!! Like ...hello?! WHO ARE YOU?!? WHAT DO YOU WANT?! ( -actually I know what they want. XD)
      Sometimes they don't even send me any art examples before they throw prices at me and I just find this behavior... BAZAAR!

      Strange weird things~!
      My name must be on a list or something! >.>

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        Those people are thinking they are going to drum up business and like a bad pickup line it may on occasion, but frankly that is a poor way to do it and probably takes more time and effort than it's worth. (IMO such 'brazen'ness should be saved for contacting companies for employment as an inhouse artist, not other artists - otherwise we might as all well pass around money because that's about where the income is at).

        Another type is the "hi I have a cool idea and we should be friends and are you interested in drawing my ideas?" which tells me, more than often, they think the 'payment' will be friendship or that they won't need to pay a friend. I send them a very concise response that touches on that "I do not know you or your ideas, so I do not consider you a friend (yet)" and "my friends understand my need to pay for my work, my work is my income and my free time is my own".

        You can be polite and still say no. You can still be humble and still assert your boundaries. You can feel like you need to improve as an artist, but still demand respect for what you do do.

        I will say constantly making profuse and gushing apologies can attract people who bully. It says to them they can needle and push and their actions can get farther before they are stopped. Basically, I leave my gushing to private notes or publicly respond kindly but cut out any self-putting down. I am writing all this publicly knowing someone can interpret me as conniving and cold, but I feel the message of "be careful, people watch" is important. It's true, some people really do look for certain types of behavior/people to exploit. Learning to adjust your public image is part of avoiding that - granted you'll still get clever ones but at least in my own experience it reduces the obvious and stress levels. SO YOU ARE WORTH THE PRAISE, ok? :D You do great work and no staph puts finger to internal voice that;'s about to squeak You are good and more than good and you have amazing potential and I think a really awesome incline of progress to travel on.

        If people randomly messaging you is a problem, maybe put your skype info on a friend-only journal.

        I know I'm probably talking a lot out of my butt and thinking too much about what I've been through rather than think more on your individual journey. I personally stopped the instant messaging stuff because of the kind of emotional toll dealing with a "please people" personality had. It left me too exposed and it was distracting too - hard to work when I'd type so much to make people feel paid attentioned to my arms hurt. That's not to say I am lonely or anything, I just cultivate things differently now. But you do your thing, but I guess I want to say it's possible to do things differently in a way that isn't being mean and helps you keep your boundaries/peace of mind in a atmosphere which can get draining and abusive (thought many don't realize they are being so) fast.

        ok my two cents /shuts up

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    People have been pushing you to buy commissions from them? That's just rude and totally unprofessional! You wait for people to come to YOU, you don't bug others. Sorry you had to deal with that.

    Now totes advertise me in yo journal k??? Right???

    (obviously jk)

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    I would think one reason people would want you to commission them would be to brag that "yeah BlueNire commissioned me wooo! that makes me awesome" ( because your art is awesome!)

    and I don't think you would be a butt by asking people to stop doing things you don't like.