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Aaaaand it's quiet again by Tofubread
Not surprising, seeing as everyone flocks here when there's drama <_<
And then leaves when it dies down.
I'm only going to say this once, because i feel it's important to make this point.
Being a furry is not determined by what website you use; it's the community in general. Letting stupid drama get to you and "associating" with a website is just splitting up the community. Websites are just websites and, much to my chagrin, i cannot control what happens if something comes up; it's out of my hands and i'm ok with that. How you react is up to you, because as far as i can tell, furries are far too quick to judge without thinking, and that's the most harmful part.
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but why make it your personal vendetta then?
If it's been pretty much proven that bad choices are going to be made, what's to say it's not going to happen again?
I am not really one to involve myself in sort of mess because that's what it is, and i certainly cannot change his mind (besides, a fair amount of people who seem to dislike FA are still using it, so...yeah. -_-)-
Because unless if someone is willing to take a stand and get something done, then things will keep happening. You ask what's to say it won't happen again? This stuff has been going on for years. The biggest thing now are people standing up who've had to keep quiet for years.
A lot of artists are also speaking up on how they're sick of being forced to stay on a site that doesn't respect it's user base.
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And yet a lot stay, sometimes for the same reasons that a lot of people seem to make here as well.
And while you do make a point, my counterpoint would be: bashing the person head on and ousting them does not make them the better person <_<As someone said here on this site, lead by example. I don't really see much reason to listen to people who seem to be not much better than the person they claim to be bad.
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Pointing out their lies isn't bashing them, backing up claims with facts is not bashing them, demanding an honest answer and some accountability is not bashing. Them calling us harassers and banning us for wanting to know what is going is a good example of a bad leader.
We are leading by example, we are showing that if you continue to make mistakes then you will need to account for them.
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Did you ever get to read some of those comments back on the journal? Not everyone was "reasonable".
And to be fair, either party could've been lying, so who's to know the truth? As much as i wanted to, i certainly looked into it, and didn't really find much other than what other furs have told me, which was different than what i had read (unfortunately, this matter is now moot since this drama is over).To say the least, that whole debacle caused much of a scare for many, and certainly cause a lot of people to go into an uproar. Me? it's just a website -3-
I have 2 other backups if shit happens, it'll just suck that some people who i know that are only on FA i'm going to lose touch with if it happens.-
Some people being unreasonable doesn't mean the whole matter should be tossed aside. There are still plenty of people who are dedicated to the issue and want to see it end. And again, this drama is not over. Things are still getting heated and there is a lot of information not yet said.
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it felt like it was, or perhaps i'm just apathetic to this whole thing because i have 2 backups. And i'm not tossing aside the whole issue, but just how some people reacted, it felt like it was too much.
That kind of behavior is basically equivalent to children throwing a tantrum, and there was a lot of that going on. We're supposed to be adults (most of us at least), and yet we bicker like children.
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Learn to look outside of your scope, some people heavily rely on that site for your work / livelihood. And no, a lot of people are very upset at the way they are being treated, they have the right to be upset. If your idea of being an adult is simply ignoring the issues and let them stagnate, not ever wanting to help others seek justice or let them face exploitation, then there is no hope for a lot of things.
If we cannot get this community leader to admit his mistakes and make right by the people who have given him his fame and have served him all these years, if we honestly will let him treat everyone the way he has and simply ignore everyone trying to help, then what hope do we have at fixing any injustice.
People need to understand that just because a problem doesn't directly affect them doesn't give them the right to invalidate it. I haven't used FA in months but here I am along with the others trying to make it a better place.
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Amen!
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i think you're the only person who possibly agrees XD;
it's rather sad; a website shouldn't really define a furry and their association. If we choose to use a website, we have our reasons, but sometimes, shit happens. what we do then is up to us-
Nobody's saying a website should define whether you're a fur or not, you daft tit. In fact, if you read up into the movement that's being organised, most of the people asking for transparency and information about some of the glaring issues and cover-ups that have been going on are actually PRO-FA. They - WE - simply want there to be a better place for furs to go to enjoy their community without feeling like they're being scammed, lied to or otherwise treated like dirt.
The movement isn't about 'lol get off FA, Dragoneer's a huge shitbag, Zaush is a rapist, Chase is a dogfucker and they're all stealing your money'. The movement is about showing people how deep the corruption lies, and how questionable Dragoneer's deserving of the fandom's loyalty is.
Yes, it's 'just a website'. But it's the most popular fur website their is - and do you REALLY want our fandom to be defined by how poorly the site's management is?
Have a chew on that before you jump onto the Dragoneer Defence Force wagon and start rattling your sabre.
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I'm sorry, this wasn't meant to be a protest against you, so keep your personal attacks to yourself.
And honestly, having seen some behavior on this website, it just seems like a lot of people are shitting on FA, rather than trying to get transparency, as you claim.
Would it be nice? yes it certainly would, but so long as that person stays who he is, that's very unlikely to change. It's not like i support the website; i have no ties to it other than friends and good artists. should it go down because of dumb mistakes, i have two other sites to go to, but i'd feel like crap for a lot of artists who depend on that site should it go.
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Then what's your point? Honestly, this seems like you're just pissing propane onto the fire and saying 'oh, look at all those plebians arguing, how amusing' rather than taking a stand.
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you think i find this amusing? Because i don't. I also don't find it amusing that you seem to continue attacking my opinion on the matter when it's just my view on the matter of things.
And this: "Have a chew on that before you jump onto the Dragoneer Defence Force wagon and start rattling your sabre" Was highly uncalled for and shows just how quick you were to judge me on this whole thing, so why should i listen to you?
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I think you mistake conflict with curiosity. Honestly, I don't give a toss what your opinion is - I'm simply noting, with some amusement, that you're standing around saying a whole lot of nothing, when it boils down to it. Your journal has no real meat or substance for people to discuss - you're just saying 'this is a thing, doesn't it suck, I'm not going to be affected, why are people making a huge deal of it?'.
If you're uninformed, we have some reading material to get you clued up.
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I'm fully aware of some individuals who have been giving me info regarding the situation at hand. Your name calling is what i'm now pointing out as the conflict at hand, since you thought it was necessary.
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Drama is what it is, drama. I am here simply because I am afraid my personal security might be breached from the last site. Even though that particular person is fired ... or so, it still shows that it can still be of risk. However it is just a risk that I am not willing to take seeing I do not rely on any fan base, but a risk worth for those who want to keep their old fan base. For an unknown entity such as myself, I also find this site easier to reach out to my stars who maintains their page here.
So as of now, the risk seems to subside even more but I am sure not totally because you may still need to input your personal security anywhere anyway. Just that where you want to entrust it either on the fan base or someplace new.
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That's reasonable, though the the ironic thing about personal info would be if people have it publicly open in the first place, so it just seems rather weird for people to complain about that (or maybe i just am not seeing the big picture there then).
As it stands, i just use 3 sites, each to post art and chat with friends. Here on weasyl though, it just seems like a soapbox for people who want FA to go down or just too quiet. Some people are reasonable about fa's problems (such as one person in these comments), but this place feels like it's full of hate. Maybe that's my point, but to be honest, i'm losing sight of what my point was now.
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That is personal info, yes. But it's more the small things, like password and notes/PMs. Those things are not supposed to be announced out public but in the wrongs hands, it can be used as such. It is just where you want to keep those.
And also, I guess you wanted to rant out but turned out to be quite chaotic indeed. It's full of hate because people thought everyone who moved here was just "loldrama, gotta go", which there are indeed but not all. Can't really say if its major or not but it's there.
Can't really point out an opinion and hope to discuss of it without a harsh environment, but that is that.-
I guess. I suppose i was trying to find something that seems to be dividing the community, but honestly, besides the FA crap, it just seems to be a thing that's happening, much like our political system (if you live in the states)
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The same people fighting each other because of their favorite colors are different, and the one that is the 'winner' will use every way possible to make sure their color are the best. it happens all over the world even the obscure places. However, there are people who still wants to save their color but not the one representing it. No matter what faction you are in, there will always be a division. We just have to make sure we're going in with what we really want.
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At least you are making a good point of it and clearly explaining it better than some.
I'm aware of the problems, but also, seeing as i'm not a commissions based artist, the whole ordeal doesn't really affect me too much (considering i have two other backups). From a neutral standpoint, i'm basically on the sidelines, watching to see what happens and if it'll affect me or not later on.
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You and I both. In fact, maybe every budding artists are by the sidelines as well just waiting. Sure, we're not fighting them as our alternative is just as good.
So long as we can be harmonious in some sort of way, it is good enough I guess. :3
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Yeah, that's probably what I meant, but perhaps i just...meh @~@
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The drama is far from over, we're waiting until we get our answer but we're not letting up on you know who.