Suspended from FA, I guess? by BlickFen

I feel like I've hit some sort of furry drama landmark with this. I should make myself a badge to commemorate the occasion. In any case, this is the latest in a fairly long string of FA admins being dicks, so no surprise there.

Maybe it's time for some Weasyl-exclusive content.

Suspended from FA, I guess?

BlickFen

19 July 2015 at 07:34:49 MDT

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    You're account was suspended there? Pardon my language, but what the hell for?!?

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      I posted a name-redacted screenshot of some random dick being a dick and calling me a "mental case" after I refused to humor his invasive interest in trans people as a "do not do this" object lesson.

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        I saw that screenshot. That did not at all violate any rules....you didn't say any names. That's such garbage.

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          As far as I know, redaction of names is sufficient. I've seen plenty of people posting notes or whatever on call-out journals and the like who have had no trouble. My guess is that they just don't like me.

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            I've definitely seen the same thing many times over. That's pretty petty of them if they did this because they don't like you. If it's any consolation, I like seeing your stuff over here on Weasyl.

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              It is, yeah! I try to post to as many sites as I can. The downer is that FA is the largest market so artists who work on commission can't really leave if they want to sustain a business model.

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                I hear ya there! I'm still trying to build up a viewer base to hopefully get more business. I'm at less than 25 watchers on this site despite consistent postings. I hope their stupid suspension doesn't last too long so you don't lose income over such nonsense.

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                  30 days. :)

                  They're a charming bunch.

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                  'Leaving' (cutting off one site entirely) isn't really a good idea anyway, as much as preferentially using one site over another, slowly bringing people to the idea that if they want a commission somewhere, they go to site X, not Y.

                  It's like:

                  • Having an AM radio transmitter
                  • Building a brand new FM one
                  • Blowing up the AM radio tower a week later
                  • Continuing to broadcast on FM - coupled with frustration that nobody seems to know you're there.

                  For example, you could post to Weasyl several hours or a day before anywhere else, so people know to see your stuff there 'first'.

                  I once wrote up a journal on the general subject. Have a look if you're interested.

                  https://www.weasyl.com/journal/69579

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                    Sounds like what I do in regards to FA, only with me I post a cropped image of the piece to FA, and I only upload the whole image here to Weasyl and Inkbunny... though I prefer this site. I don't get many hits on Inkbunny >_>

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    wonder if the admin knew that fur so they decided to "teach you a lesson" or some such

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      My guess would be that it's a mix of my fairly open disgust of staff and site and being trans that triggered it, personally, since I have had problems with staff on those grounds before. But you may be on to something.

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        well, your explination is far simpler and far more likely... so you are probably right. its amazing for a community thats supposed to be all open and accepting... that its so full of twats

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        Yeah seems likely to me. This is very angering.

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          I haven't seen any support of trans people from staff there overall.

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            The staff there doesn't give two flying shits about trans people. In fact, they often divulge in troublesome language and slurs.

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            In any case, I think you should just wipe your hands clean from that filthy website. I cut loose almost a year ago and it feels pretty good. The only downside to Weasyl is that it just doesn't have nearly as many people (which could also be a good thing, considering the etiquette of the general furry population), but it's infinitely better in design and functionality.

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    Consider it a victory as a human being

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      Right? I feel... cleaner, somehow.

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    Stop wasting your time on that shit site! As the great O. W. Kenobi once said, "You'll never find a more wretched hive of scum and villainy."

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      I agree, I really do, but it's where the commissions are. In the nearly ten years that I've been doing commissions in this community, I have gotten maybe 4 or 5 commission inquiries in total from any site, cumulative, that is not FA. And I'm on about four galleries.

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        Oh right... Yeah, that's kind of... That sucks

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    Of course I can only speak for myself, but while I have vastly fewer followers, comments, and favorites than I did on FA, I get way more serious commission inquiries (as opposed to "will you draw my character for free if I promote you in my gallery? EXPOSURE!"), so hopefully this won't hurt your sales much.

    Fair warning, Weasyl has the same idiotic "No call-outs!" rule, but so far I haven't noticed them enforcing it specifically to silence victims of abuse/harassment, so at least there's that, I guess.

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      The following is a personal view on the issue in general, not official comment about or on behalf of any site!

      Fair warning, Weasyl has the same idiotic "No call-outs!" rule, but so far I haven't noticed them enforcing it specifically to silence victims of abuse/harassment, so at least there's that, I guess.

      The problem for people staffing websites is that there's no stance that won't get them roasted by various sections of the community.

      The idea that a site should allow such things to be aired if they're the truth has a fatal flaw. It relies on moderators and administrators to determine what is truthful when there is no way for them to reliably do so - at best they can take educated guesses. So you end up with one of three basic scenarios:

      1. They're not allowed - staff remove them indiscriminately. This can prevent legitimate messages from getting out (which may be less than ideal), and the site staff get roasted for it.
      2. They're allowed - staff don't remove them. The legitimate messages get out, but so do a lot of false accusations. The site staff get roasted because they're "not creating an environment where their users can feel safe".
      3. They're allowed if the staff think they're the truth. When the staff get it wrong, all hell breaks loose. This also opens the door to preferential treatment under the guise of "Looked like the truth to me!".

      Yes, scenario 1 above will suck in some situations, but at least nobody gets preferential treatment. Scenarios 2 and 3 are worse for the overwhelming majority of users.

      And all this without getting in to the quagmire that is defamation law across international borders (and the jurisdiction in which a site is hosted has nothing to do with it - did you know you can be sued under Australian defamation law simply because your material is accessible in Australia, regardless of where it is hosted?).

      (Note: This view is based on a decade of moderating large forums, as well as stints moderating both FA and WZL)

      To reiterate - this is a personal view, not official comment!

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        Probably BlickFen doesn't want me throwing down on this topic in his unrelated journal so I'll restrain myself to one statement: as someone who has also moderated high-traffic forums, I am deeply skeptical about the long-term benefits of undercutting any community's ability to self-police, especially in cases where no legal action is possible (or warranted). Management and micromanagement are very different things, often mistaken for each other.

        This is a personal view, not an official statement!

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          My experience has been that self-policing doesn't scale particularly well, which can be problematic when you're dealing in the tens or hundreds of thousands of users.

          Fair point about hijacking the journal too much though!

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      I haven't found that at all, personally. I get zero commission inquiries here, 99.99% of my business comes from FA. :/

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    What the fuck?? Well, guess I can't say I'm surprised..this is FA we're talking about :/

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      Welcome. I dealt with the faceless FA admins too.

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    Sadly not surprised :/

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    wow
    rediculous but im not surprised.
    i watched them pin a lot of weird crap on my gf when we were active on there; things that other artists did all the time and still do. their staffing is a mess and im sure always will be.

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    FA's been shit for way too long anyway, and I'm sorry you had to go through this.

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      And that's why I whole heartedly slap Weasyl's name allllll over the place on both FA and DA, because both are shit. Bring the people here that actually do work and care about their work... let the social media whores stick to DA and FA can just... rot.

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    That's a pretty wicked thing to do to an artist. What an abuse of power.

    If it's any consolation, Weasyl's growing at a decent pace though. It got its one millionth submission in about the same amount of time it took FA to get its one millionth, without any of the advantage of being the only real option available FA had back in the day. Hopefully this place will be a hospitable alternative to commissioning artists sooner than later.

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      I think it's ridiculous that they 'escalated' me to the point of 'right before permaban' for something that was a mistake/misunderstanding.

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    That's fucked up man. If there wasn't any names even in there, that's bullshit. Although it is FA so really I'm not surprised. They've been playing favorites with staff and people staff are friends with since...well forever.

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    You show up as a (Member) when I check your page. Perhaps it got undone? Either way, shitty that it happened at all, dude :\

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      You seem to be correct! I wrote in an appeal via email earlier today and it looks like it was actually handled properly, because they found that I wasn't intending to violate CoC (which of course I was not). They lifted the suspension early but they're leaving me at the 7th/final warning.

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    Neer be like "trans? You mean herm right?"

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      That made me laugh and feel disappointed at the same time since it's so true lol

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    FA get twisted about anybody so much as uttering "dont say c-boy"
    uuuuuuuugh, just silently waiting for the artists i follow that still are exclusive to there to find other avenues so i can wash my hands of it

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      Stop assaulting people who want to say c-boy, you're harassing them*

      *Basically every response from staff ever when I say "this is why this term is offensive, please don't use it."

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        ° screaming in the distance °

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    Are you serious? That's such bullshit. I hope you share that screenshot everywhere it's allowed. I know there's a twitter account that shares screenshots of creepy/gross/stupid notes people get from FA users.