Read a journal earlier about this but even the OP couldn't give an alternate name for "herm" that wasn't related to trans* terms or intersex, so I'm asking here in my own journal (these topics make me nervous anyways).
What is another term for a character that has both male and female genitalia? I'm meaning a fully functioning dick and vagina with or without balls or breasts. They aren't trans* and they aren't intersex, and I really don't want to offend people when I draw some of my characters.
Any ideas?
//Edit// I'd like to clarify that I do not like nor use the terms "shemale," "dickgirl," "cuntboy," etc. I find those moreso degrading than "herm."
I've been wondering this for a while, too. I don't like the way "herm" sounds as a word (one mushy syllable, like something you'd mutter under your breath), but I hate, hate, hate the terms "dickgirl" and "cuntboy." I can see how those two words could be defended in the context of self-conscious vulgarity, but they've got very narrow ranges. I don't mind the term intersex, so I guess I can't really be of much help. But you're not alone with this terminology problem.
woa you got some kinda gross comments on this for someone just looking for some help..sorry about that......
i'm really not the most educated person on the subject of gender and genitalia, but i found the word "epicene" while looking?
"having characteristics of both sexes or no characteristics of either sex; of indeterminate sex." probably not exactly right either though haha..
For fully functioning genitalia, hermaphrodite is scientifically correct. For ambiguous genitalia (something between a cis penis and a cis vagina), intersex would be correct, either male-dominant or female-dominant if you want to get specific. Andromorphic female for "dickgirls" and gynomorphic male for "c-boys"*. For someone surgically transitioning, then transgender would be correct.
This is just what I personally use. Mileage may vary.
*Dickgirl, shemale, cuntboy, etc are all extremely offensive and should never be used to refer to anyone. Even if a person refers to themselves as such, which is their prerogative, you still shouldn't use it. Sort of how black people can use the n-word, but no one else who isn't black themselves should. Dickgirl and shemale are extremely transmisogynistic, while cuntboy is transphobic, and all three terms are objectifying and fetishizing trans and intersex individuals.
tl;dr hermaphrodite is not offensive when referring to a character who does actually have fully functioning genitalia. Using it to refer to a human being, however, is very offensive. The correct term, depending on the person is question, is intersex or transgender.
What about the term Bi-Sexed for those that want something unrelated to Herm? (just because they don't like the association with the word)
That is still kind of problematic because it assumes that the sexes are binary, which they're not. Biological sex is a social construct. Sex is measured by 5 different things: hormones, gonads, chromosomes, genitalia and secondary sex characteristics. Which makes for a lot of different combinations, very few that /actually/ fit under the socially accepted "female" or "male". So using bi-sexed is kind of ignorant and reduces people/characters to genitals and secondary sex characteristics.
Futanari is a Japanese term for hermaphrodites, typically used specifically for human ones of the style you're mentioning. Some people still find it offensive, simply because it's sometimes used to refer to actual trans women, but the word 'newhalf/nyuhafu' has since been adopted in Japanese to describe actual trans women.
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Rory's first comment hit the mark. There was nothing inappropriate relating to his first comment. We have organizations like the HRC and GLAAD who can organize and come up with a solution. What doesn't help the LGBT cause is people on Tumblr and people on this site who get hostile and start telling other's "hostile statement here and you're a cis privileged male." as a response.
I'd ask Weasyl staff to act on both sides here. I don't want Weasyl to become the next Tumblr where there are people pretending to special snowflakes then reporting them for not using non-English preferred pronouns like Xe, Ze, Hie, etc. You need to stop the bullshit from both sides before it starts, via a policy change.
Are you seriously suggesting that only English-speaking people are allowed to have preferred pronouns? Or that these people are any less human for using pronouns that aren't widely used? Because these "special snowflakes" are struggling to find an identity, and when people refuse to use the correct pronouns anyways, why the hell shouldn't they pick a pronoun that feels right to them regardless of how "silly" it sounds to other people?
People like myself have to use the English language in business. I'm not going to adjust my lingual tendencies to people who want to be special snowflakes. Until the English language is updated through one of the authorities or a public release is made by an organization like GLAAD/HRC/etc, then I'm going to use the official sources of the English language.
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Honestly, I don't know that there is a better term. I often find myself struggling for non-sexualized or stigmatizing terminology to describe physical configurations used in this kind of fantasy art that are less common in reality. What appropriate term is there for "feminine identifying person that has penis, testicles, and breasts, but is that way naturally and without transition?" People use an ugly term for it, but using trans woman is inappropriate, as sometimes these characters are not about trans narratives. It is a really big grey area and, as some comments have shown, clearly a hot point of contention for people who feel entitled to use the potentially offensive terms.
Agreed. I go with 'herm/hermaphrodite' for 'two fully functioning sets of genitalia such as would never occur in reality' and hope I don't offend too many people. I try to only use 'intersex' when I'm referring to a person that actually is that. As I mentioned above, futanari might be an okay alternative.
:I the responses here depress and disgust me.
OK! I know what journal you're talking about, and its true, if you have a character with fully two fully functioning sets of genitals they (I had this conversation with may partner, he too talked how sticky the term is) do fall under that spectrum of terminology but as a functioning hermaphrodite or single sex species if the rest of the characters species funcition the same! Personally, I don't like the use of the term hermaphrodite due to its history, so I stay with Single Sex.
From what I understood, they weren't talking about characters with two functioning sets of sex. It was trans women being mislabeled and fetishized, aswell as general awful words used to fetishize the community.
"When did hermaphrodite become offensive?"
In a purely scientific context, or a purely fictional/fantastical one, there's nothing offensive about the word 'hermaphrodite'. No-one is seriously proposing or defending real-life transpeople being described as hermaphrodites except in the paranoid nightmares of the SJWs.
Why would you want to find an unclear word to replace one that's used with 100% accuracy? Perhaps the fact that you were unable to find an answer in one journal and still can't get a good one here is evidence enough that you're not going to get what you want unless you go with the futa suggestion and just start speaking another language entirely.
Herm, dickgirl, cuntboy; useful words to describe physical forms without ambiguity. Getting offended over particular words even if they're used innocently, instead of reserving offence for when it is actually intended, is a very childish way to treat language.
Hermaphrodite to explain a character with a functional cis penis and cis vagina both is perfectly okay. That's what herm means. To have "both" sets of socially accepted cis genitalia. I actually gave several suggestions for alternatives in my comment earlier.
However, dickgirl and cuntboy are terms that are objectifying and fetishizing trans and intersex bodies. There is no "innocent" use for them, just as there is no innocent way to use any other slur.
Furry girls with big, pierced breasts and large horse cocks are my fetish. That's a simple truth, I embrace it happily.
Here's the problem, though. Your explanation of why the words are bad fits much more as an explanation for why the feeling is wrong. By observing, encouraging and "using" furry dickgirl porn, I am making a fetish of something that kinda correlates to the body that some transpeople might have. That might make them uncomfortable, maybe. I can imagine that. Not enough for me to change my wicked ways, good heavens no, but it could make a certain kind of sense.
But the fetish itself isn't what you're taking issue with. It seems to me that you're implying it's okay for me to have and enjoy a fetish for girls with meaty horse wangs, but if I give this fetish the convenient label dickgirl, so that I can talk about my porn with like-minded individuals, that's going too far. That's the offensive part.
I reiterate, that's a very childish way to treat language because you're judging purely the word and not the concepts that are being communicated.
I have trans lady friends who have been called dickgirls, shemales, he-shes, and other terrible names. What makes these names wrong is the fact that they fetishize trans women bodies without any regard for trans women. Trans women are at a higher risk of being beaten, assaulted, and killed than anyone else, especially trans women of color.
Language doesn't exist in a vacuum. You can't use those words and NOT have it negatively impact trans women. The fact that I have been propositioned because the guy "always wanted to fuck a cuntboy" is proof in point of that, albeit on the other end of the trans spectrum. My trans lady friends have been called everything I listed above, because to a lot of people they exist only as part of a fetish; for their pleasure only. I've dealt with the same thing, but not nearly to the extent that trans women deal with.
You want to fetishize trans women in art? That's your prerogative. Better in art than in real life, but again, language doesn't exist in a vacuum, and to think that it's okay to refer to trans women as nothing more than the sum of their genitalia and gender is disgusting.
You know what? I get that. I can understand people having things they don't want to be called. You don't like a name or a term and you prefer to describe yourself and be described with something else. Fine. You have every right to choose your own name.
Two things, though.
First, you're needlessly dragging real life into fetish porn with the goal of, I don't know, making it clean or something by changing the words around. Like, a transsexual could be browsing for dickgirl porn and be totally fine with herself and others enjoying the stuff, but the moment she actually sees the word dickgirl appear somewhere, that's it, boner lost, feelings hurt deeply. Or in your example, would you be fine with someone taking interest in you purely because you're FTM, but only if they restrain themselves from calling you a cuntboy? I just can't imagine either case actually happening. You're not gonna stop physical violence by outlawing some particular words (How did actual violence even come up in a debate about porn tags on a furry art site?). You're not gonna stop people pursuing their sexual interests by asking them to be a little more polite. You aren't helping anyone.
Second, we need a way to break a person (Or more specifically, a drawing of a fantasy animal-person hybrid) down into a category based on their genitals for the sake of convenient categorisation. This is an art site supported by tags to help people find whatever it is they want to. If I'm in the mood for dickgirls, I'll run a search for that tag and ideally get more than enough to satisfy me. If someone else isn't interested in that at all, they can blacklist it and they are served just as well. Fragmenting this simple classification because you don't personally like the words herm or cuntboy or whatever the fuck else and attempting to replace it with a nonstandard and (As evident by this journal) unclear bunch of replacements hurts the site and everyone using it by forcing them to keep track of whatever the current politically correct terminology is.
But anyway, thanks for confirming something for me. You really are entirely caught up on specific words when it's an overall culture that you have the real problem with.
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The whole gender spectrum thing is gonna be a pretty touchy subject no matter how sensitive you try to be about it.
I just call stuff like that hybrid gendered or something equally generic and try to ignore anyone who tries to stir up controversy or claim offense.