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Aaand FUCK you, Florida by EbonyChimera
George Zimmerman not found guilty, walking away a free man.
...... ._. I have no words.
Aaand FUCK you, Florida
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What is more troubling is the black lady who got 20 years last year for firing a warning shot that hit no one when her husband came after her.
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laws and such regarding guns and self defense are quite screwy.
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I'm convinced that Florida is trying their best to win the Worst State Ever award. They also accidentally banned anything that could connect to the internet this past week...
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The sad thing is that I was kind of expecting the law to fail, like it always does.
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I know, right..? It's horrible that us as citizens have come to expect the court system to fail us like this... >_>
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The law is no longer really a law... more of a free for all... such is the America we see today 8I
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Yeah, I heard about that too. Ya know, it's sad that this outcome is really expected. Though the fact that we can't help but have that slight bit of hope linger on inside of us that justice will be served; only to have it crushed against a cold brick wall of corruption is just down right depressing. What a world we live in.
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Pardon me for having a contrary opinion than the rest of the folks here...but...if the prosecution can't prove the guy is guilty...the jury better find him NOT guilty.
I would rather see guilty people go free than innocent people get convicted.
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It didn't help that they were trying to charge him with second-degree murder and not manslaughter. If they went with manslaughter from the start it might have been a different story, but the prosecution overreached and failed.
It still leaves a bad taste in my mouth but there are reasons that he was found not guilty.
I think he should at the very least have his CCW licence revoked, however. He clearly is not of the right mindset to be trusted with concealed carry; the fact that he followed after the other guy instead of backing away and was basically looking for trouble is evidence of that.
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my boyfriend's dad was giving him warnings in both amused and serious manners. "watch out on your way home from work." i guess there was some rioting going on?
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Just fuck America the 'justice' system is corrupt as hell in the entire country 8(
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Ok here's the problem, the law as stated here (http://www.leg.state.fl.us/statutes/index.cfm?App\_mode=Display\_Statute&Search\_String&URL=0700-0799/0776/Sections/0776.013.html) Can kind of totally with out very little creative interpretation be used as a means of justifiable murder defense. Really it all comes down to that as long as you kill some one while you are some where you have full permission to be and done not have any other witnesses to the crime. Your done, the state has made it ok to kill some one.
So Anyone that going to hunt down Zimmerman, just be sure to get him some where public and just say he attacked you first.
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Broken link: try this
Stand your ground is as follows:
(3) A person who is not engaged in an unlawful activity and who is attacked in any other place where he or she has a right to be has no duty to retreat and has the right to stand his or her ground and meet force with force, including deadly force if he or she reasonably believes it is necessary to do so to prevent death or great bodily harm to himself or herself or another or to prevent the commission of a forcible felony.
The immunity provision that has been the subject of much controversy:
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Stand your ground was not used as a defense. Simple self-defense was. In the end Trayvon did act the aggressor first, however I understand why he did so; with Zimmerman following him first by car, then walking behind him, then running after Trayvon started running, Trayvon felt threatened. In the end, if Zimmerman had done what the police told him (do not pursue Trayvon) then none of this would have happened.
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I know I am replying a bit late, but you are correct. This was not a Stand Your Ground case, despite the attention it gave that law.
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The problem is that evidence has to be established beyond a reasonable doubt. If there'd be some security footage, this would have been a slam-dunk for the prosecution. Fortunately or not, the law and courts have worked as they should when there's such a dearth of reliable testimony.
I don't think he should be free, but I'd rather watch him walk than see some innocent person get locked up.
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what did you expect from Florida? They recently passed a law so poorly worded that it technically made the INTERNET ILLEGAL.
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I'd expect my home state to not be so fucking backwards. .-.
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well it was ORIGINALLY supposed to be a law to stop illegal gambling in internet cafes (by making the cafes illegal...except for ones owned by the politician's cronies of course) but the law was so poorly written that any internet capable device from smart phone to laptop can be considered illegal. The law also makes most arcades including Chuck E. Cheese illegal.
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i feel you pain <_< i had little faith in my own states justice system sense the Kacy Anthony fiasco. this just proves that its all screwed to hell
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See, it's this kind of stuff that I try not to focus on - especially the political stuff. Mainly because I don't want to get too caught up into to worry about it. I've grown so disgusted with what's going on in the US nation that I just ignore majority of it entirely - mainly this.
I honestly believe it's being blown out of proportion, but that's my opinion. Just wait - in about a month or more, it's going to be forgotten about.
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Well, how 'bout this as a final takeaway: if you don't want to get shot, maybe you shouldn't start slamming someone else's head into the ground while stating you intend to kill them and thereby force them to do something to defend themselves against you.
Just a thought.
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Maybe Zimmerman shouldn't have fucking stalked Martin, then? Zimmerman was told by the police NOT to pursue Trayvon? He did anyway. First in his car, then walking on foot, then when Trayvon started to run, so did Zimmerman. There are stalking laws in Florida. Zimmerman was not a cop, he should not have tried to act like one (and failed). It's no surprise that Trayvon turned around, thinking himself in immediate danger. It's that instinct that something feels wrong, telling one to either flee (which he had already tried to do and it wasn't working) or fight. But then, what do I know? I'm just a police lieutenant's son.
Just a thought.
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Er, change that second question to a statement: "Zimmerman was told by the police NOT to pursue Trayvon."
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I don't think all of Zimmerman's decisions were right, but oft-seen presentation of events painting a picture like Martin was some sort of saint and that his actions in assaulting Zimmerman were completely reasonable in any sense is pure bullshit. Martin decided to act in a way was headed to a bad end and he got what he got out of it. Zimmerman was an incautious fool who should be criticized and possibly punished in some form for a stalking offense, but ultimately the situation in question in court wasn't that, it was only the immediate circumstance of Zimmerman defending himself from a potentially lethal assault. That doesn't really deserve to be punished with a murder conviction. Punishing the victim in an assault for defending himself and coming out on top is way out of line wherever you come from.
And I agree, being a police lieutenant's son, what would you know? Being related to a police officer doesn't make you necessarily trained or experienced as one yourself, please don't appeal to authority you don't legitimate possess. It's a huge mistake that discredits a lot of debaters.
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You do know that I was being sarcastic when I was asking "but then, what would I know? I'm just a police lieutenant's son," yes? I do not profess to know as much as he does about topics like this, yes, but I have learned that in such cases Trayvon himself acted in a way he believed he was defending himself in all likelihood. Tell me truly and honestly, you see someone who isn't as tall or strong as you yet is still following you, first by car, then walking after you, then running after you when you try to escape a bad situation, what would you do? Would you turn and try to defend yourself since obviously trying to get away from the situation without incident isn't working? It's late at night and you're being followed by a stranger. You don't know what's going on, all you know is that if he's following you and you haven't done anything to warrant it, you're going to be suspicious and afraid.
I am not saying that Trayvon was a saint, but his reaction to Zimmerman stalking him was completely natural. In the end it turned tragic because of the fact that, ultimately, Zimmerman appeared to be stalking him. He called the police some forty odd times on seeing him beforehand, being suspicious, perhaps just because of what he wore and his skin color? Regardless, the events that happened on that fateful night were all caused by Zimmerman acting in a role that was not his to play. He called the police and they were to be on their way. He did his civil duty. It would not be his place to pursue Trayvon unless he was attacked first, which didn't happen UNTIL he followed Trayvon. Zimmerman holds the most guilt in this situation. Perhaps not murder or criminal homicide/manslaughter, but the fact remains that he did kill someone. Yes, it was in self-defense, but he wouldn't have NEEDED to defend himself if he had just listened to the police when they told him not to pursue Trayvon. Now his reputation is shot, a boy is dead, a family is in mourning, and a police chief has lost his job because of this man's incompetence.
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When you start slamming someone else's head into the ground, and when you explicitly state your intention to kill them, you're far outside the realm of "defending yourself" and any reasonable person should know that. When you've reached that point, and you're obviously physically outmatching your opponent and continuing beyond simply preventing harm to yourself and proceeding to deliberately harm them in excess, you're out of bounds and if you get shot for it by the other person acting in their own defense in turn, all I can say is that you brought it on yourself.
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You've obviously never been in a fight, have you? Let me tell you something: I have. If you're in a fight in the streets, you have no idea if, should you let up on the other person, they're going to kill you. You use everything you can to survive. Further, Zimmerman is the only one who stated that Trayvon actually said he was going to kill him. His word is suspect at best.
And further, witness testimony isn't the most reliable form of evidence either. Anyone who knows anything about law enforcement knows that. Trayvon felt he was being threatened. In any sort of fight or flight situation, you do what you can to neutralize what you believe to be a threat. In a situation where you think "hey, this person might kill me," it becomes kill or be killed. It became that for Zimmerman, but it was like that first for Martin. But you're obviously blind to that possibility simply because Trayvon was the aggressor. I'll waste no more time debating with you because you're so firmly stuck in your beliefs.
"It's foolish trying to listen to someone who will not listen to you." These are words that I live by. Good day.
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You posted this a long time ago, and I guess replying now is silly but I happened to read this now. When Trayvon Martin punched Zimmerman in the face, and sent him to the ground writhing in pain and screaming, he was right, he was defending himself. At that point if he had continued trying to run away he would have vanished into the night.
The minute he pressed the assault, he posed a threat of grievous bodily injury or death. That's all he had to do to justify Zimmerman's self defense. It was a stupid situation where two people with a history of poor decision making skills came together and the result was one of them was dead.
Ask your father what would happen if he continued to, and use these words "Strike a subject who was no longer resistant". Guess who'd wind up in jail, i'll give you a hint, it'd be the guy wearing the uniform.
If your father is a police Lt. you should also know the police didn't tell George Zimmerman anything until well after Trayvon Martin was dead, the police don't sit and answer telephones all day, that job is generally delegated out to a call center or it is operated by an in house call center, which is why when you call 911, they answer "911" or "911 emergency" and not "police", the reason for this is 2 fold, #1 because you call 911 for MANY issues which are not law enforcement related (Fires, natural disaster, heart attack, choking etc.), and #2 because sworn law enforcement officers are expensive, and have better things to do than man a cubicle.
Finally, stalking laws, generally, do not prohibit the literal stalking of someone, IE following, sans a restraining order, in areas where said someone has no reasonable expectation of privacy, such as public property, public streets, while trespassing on the curtilage of another. Taking it one step further, as a member of a neighborhood watch program, Zimmerman had the granted authority to enter on the property of any persons participating, which actually exceeds the authority of the police in many cases, as to enter someones curtilage requires an exigent exception to the 4th Amendment, or a warrant, or consent, or any combination of the 3 (as warrants and consent can be revoked sans an exigent exception).
But what would _I_ know, I'm just a 6 year veteran Federal LEO, and one of my classmates used to be a prosecutor who worked with Angela Corey on an at least weekly basis for several years before he decided to go back out into the field.
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A friend of mine summed it up better:
"The tl;dr: Prosecution brought a terrible argument to court that was unsupported by anything other than emotion and sympathy. In a court of law, the only thing you use to convict is evidence and fact, neither of which the Prosecution demonstrated. Therefore, this was the only proper conviction that could have been delivered. Anything otherwise would have been reversed on appeal because of the lack of definite evidence, and the only circumstantial evidence presented supported Zimmerman's defense over the Prosecution's story." -
George Zimmerman is bad, and he should feel bad.
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I am so happy to be leaving this shithole of a state.
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I clearly wish that there's bleeping gun reform....but then again...who knows the odds of that?
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